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Am I Forgetting Anything??

My 96ss is on 22" irocs and already has 4 Koni adjustable shocks (set to almost full hard), 3cfab extended rear ctrl arms, and eibach pro springs up front with zq8 bump stops and stock ss springs in the rear (long story on that mix match).

The car still rides like crap, wanders all over the road, and the brakes are terrible. It's time for a serious overhaul underneath this thing. Since I don't have the time, tools, space, or patience to work on cars I will be having my very competent mechanic handle all of this at once. I want to cover all the bases and do it all right the first time. I don't need it to handle like an f1 car, just want this thing to behave better under aggressive driving. I have spent hundreds of hours reading the stickies and threads on this forum and I believe I have purchased a nice combination of parts but wanted to make sure I'm not forgetting anything that should also be addressed while the car is torn apart. I have acquired the following parts list

BMR swaybars f/r with new bushings and end links
Pro touring front frame brace
ES body bushings kit (black)
Hotchkis steering rebuild kit w/ sleeves
New steering box
New lower ball joints
Airlift 1000 rear bags
Will have them do an alignment
Stock replacement rotors f/r (too poor for navylfrs kit)
Ceramic pads f/r
SS brake lines
2 bottles of wilwood brake fluid
Brake proportioning/metering bolts

Is there any other crucial pieces I'm missing in my brake and suspension overhaul? I'm open to any and all suggestions. I just don't want to pay to have this done twice. And im sorry for including brake questions in a suspension post

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Alignment? Ha. From what ive experienced with these cars is the wide stance and wide tires make it wander. Ive even been pulled over at nite for my 91 'weaving'. That was with factory ss wheels n tires (255/50/17s) and fresh alignment and all new parts. If u look at mist vehicles this day in age they are narrow with skinny tires. That wears a pattern into the asphalt. U have to think how many focuses miatas cavaliers g5s and such are on the road. That many narrow track cars have left a nice groove that ur car wont fit into.

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My 96ss is on 22" irocs and already has 4 Koni adjustable shocks (set to almost full hard), 3cfab extended rear ctrl arms, and eibach pro springs up front with zq8 bump stops and stock ss springs in the rear (long story on that mix match).

The car still rides like crap, wanders all over the road, and the brakes are terrible. It's time for a serious overhaul underneath this thing. Since I don't have the time, tools, space, or patience to work on cars I will be having my very competent mechanic handle all of this at once. I want to cover all the bases and do it all right the first time. I don't need it to handle like an f1 car, just want this thing to behave better under aggressive driving. I have spent hundreds of hours reading the stickies and threads on this forum and I believe I have purchased a nice combination of parts but wanted to make sure I'm not forgetting anything that should also be addressed while the car is torn apart. I have acquired the following parts list

BMR swaybars f/r with new bushings and end links
Pro touring front frame brace
ES body bushings kit (black)
Hotchkis steering rebuild kit w/ sleeves
New steering box
New lower ball joints
Airlift 1000 rear bags
Will have them do an alignment
Stock replacement rotors f/r (too poor for navylfrs kit)
Ceramic pads f/r
SS brake lines
2 bottles of wilwood brake fluid
Brake proportioning/metering bolts

Is there any other crucial pieces I'm missing in my brake and suspension overhaul? I'm open to any and all suggestions. I just don't want to pay to have this done twice. And im sorry for including brake questions in a suspension post


The first thing I noticed was the mismatched springs. I'm no expert but I think you should read the recent posts by Scot. He's the Guru on this.


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"Alignment? Ha. From what ive experienced with these cars is the wide stance and wide tires make it wander. Ive even been pulled over at nite for my 91 'weaving'. That was with factory ss wheels n tires (255/50/17s) and fresh alignment and all new parts. If u look at mist vehicles this day in age they are narrow with skinny tires. That wears a pattern into the asphalt. U have to think how many focuses miatas cavaliers g5s and such are on the road. That many narrow track cars have left a nice groove that ur car wont fit into.

My $.02"



Yeah, it'll definitely be getting an alignment after all this work. And I hear you, wide wheels definitely have their trade offs. And the streets in Fort Wayne are beat to hell so that doesn't help the ride feel. Nonetheless, my 20 year old suspension is in need of a serious overhaul

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The first thing I noticed was the mismatched springs. I'm no expert but I think you should read the recent posts by Scot. He's the Guru on this.


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Scot actually convinced me to get the front frame brace which I'm excited about. I'm interested in his input here. I remember reading a couple places about the ss rear springs being a decent choice paired with stiffer front springs like my eibachs. I'll also being installing airlift 1000 bags in the rear. I'm mainly trying to see if I'm missing anything from my checklist that should be addressed during a suspension/brake overhaul but I'm also open to different spring suggestions if I'm heading the wrong direction with my setup

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Not being an expert on this I did see that you're not putting in upper ball joints. Also what about the spring pads while you're in the neighborhood? How about the brakes line too? Both hard and flexible. Just a thought and then you won't be coming back too soon.
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Not being an expert on this I did see that you're not putting in upper ball joints. Also what about the spring pads while you're in the neighborhood? How about the brakes line too? Both hard and flexible. Just a thought and then you won't be coming back too soon.
BTW I agree with your signature. Kimber Warrior.


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Already have the 5 ss flex lines purchased and my mechanic mentioned my hardline was almost crushed by my exhaust so that'll get replaced too. Spring cushions are a good idea, I'll add that to the grocery list. And nice choice in handgun sir! I daily carry a CZ 75B 9mm. I know, it's a commi gun but it holds 14 and i shoot better with it than anything else I got.

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My 96ss is on 22" irocs and already has 4 Koni adjustable shocks (set to almost full hard), 3cfab extended rear ctrl arms, and eibach pro springs up front with zq8 bump stops and stock ss springs in the rear (long story on that mix match).

The car still rides like crap, wanders all over the road, and the brakes are terrible. It's time for a serious overhaul underneath this thing. Since I don't have the time, tools, space, or patience to work on cars I will be having my very competent mechanic handle all of this at once. I want to cover all the bases and do it all right the first time. I don't need it to handle like an f1 car, just want this thing to behave better under aggressive driving. I have spent hundreds of hours reading the stickies and threads on this forum and I believe I have purchased a nice combination of parts but wanted to make sure I'm not forgetting anything that should also be addressed while the car is torn apart. I have acquired the following parts list

BMR swaybars f/r with new bushings and end links
Pro touring front frame brace
ES body bushings kit (black)
Hotchkis steering rebuild kit w/ sleeves
New steering box
New lower ball joints
Airlift 1000 rear bags
Will have them do an alignment
Stock replacement rotors f/r (too poor for navylfrs kit)
Ceramic pads f/r
SS brake lines
2 bottles of wilwood brake fluid
Brake proportioning/metering bolts

Is there any other crucial pieces I'm missing in my brake and suspension overhaul? I'm open to any and all suggestions. I just don't want to pay to have this done twice. And im sorry for including brake questions in a suspension post
Seems like quite a list and maybe a good approach to attack it all at once. Some items I did notice missing but assume these will also be done along with the lower BJs.....upper BJs, inner/Outter tie rods, center link, idler arm, adjusters sleeves (steel or billet). If you are doing the body bushings, are you also going to do the Control arm bushings? I would. New lock nuts on the upper control arm shafts since they will be loosened for alignment or removed for bushing install.....DONT REUSE THESE.

Along with steering and suspension pieces, may not be a bad idea to consider a jeep shaft to to replace the stock b-body steering shaft/rag joint. Not sure I get the wide tire/wandering theory though. After recent overhaul/upgrade to 5/8" lower ball joints and a complete rebuild/replacement of most parts, my car tracks true and straight with good control and no wandering. This is running stock wheels and 255/50/17 tires.

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True story. I knew this girl, really kind of cute, not too tall but sleek and petite. Really nice but a little insecure, she got very invested in what other people thought of her. Couldn't leave the house without high heels, make up, just the right rear extended lower control arms. I told her "the only reputation you have that matters is the reputation you have with yourself." Basic truth grasshopper: Cosmetics are always about what others think of you. She couldn't believe she was an approval junkie (she was not alone, approval addiction is the most common human disease, more of it than herpes). Could not hear it until she started having back pain, really hurt. (most people will only change when the pain gets bad enough) Wrecking her quality of life. Took it getting real bad before she could grasp..."those shoes have got to go!". She (like some right here on this site) cried "But people LOVE them, and I look so much cooler, sleeker and people LOOK at me!...whole neighborhoods give me a thumbs up!" Sorry my dear, but have you looked at the unsprung weight penalty they afflict you with? Gruesome. Tram line effect multiplied, totally ruins your ride quality, braking distances miserably effected (did you mention crap brakes? I thought so.) and acceleration slowed down too ( Homer Simpson DUH! here) . Not just from shoes she cried! Sad, but true. "But I saw "The Devil Wears Prada" and EVERYONE had 22" high heels" So eat excrement...A million flies can't be wrong? "Oh my goodness" she exclaimed "I did this to myself!" Ah the self inflicted wound! Often the result of listening to the noballs at all and the slowitted. The sage did opine "find a well meaning fool, there is always one about" and so begins the road to hell (small h, not a religious reference) which is paved with good intentions. Notice how I worked in a street reference there. I would not point it out but they missed my Hedley Lamar reference just yesterday! Want to make it even worse? Just add a 1 1/2" solid rear sway bar to that pert little SS rear of yours. BUTT IMPLANTS! You really won't want to ever leave the house. DO NOT mention the Car-dashians (sic or is that sick?) But wait she said "Look at all these new supercars! 18's are tiny, 20's barely noticed! What about room for BIG BRAKES?" A Jag has... Stop the madness. Every supercar suspension component has to be adjusted by suicidal engineers just so the reptile sales department can sell crap novelty to the unknowing. The 2005 ECIRS championship car cleaned up on 15" wheels (sorry, I get nostalgic sometimes, but yes, the 15's were chosen for their unfair advantage. Physics 101). Was not this little allegory clear?

PS Pictures; No YOU don't NEED 15 X 9.5" wheels or the 15 X 8.5" wheels or even 15 X 8"'s but they all would out perform, hey even 15 x 7' would, in every way, the nightmare garbage you currently run. Yes with any of the currently available tires, and yes those Pirelli P-Zero's and Michelin PS were great in 15's but they are gone so get over over it. AND yes that's a 1 1/2" solid rear sway bar...ON AN 8000 pound FWB STRETCH LIMO DOG CAR! Notice the picture of the 1 1/2" solid front sway bar and (insultingly called by losers here as somekinda homemade) front frame brace. Those little scamps and I do mean little. (See Ghostbusters youtube on a previous post about frame gussets) But I digress.Often for English is now an alien tongue, hard for me. Both F+R sway bars match (among other things, some in the pics) for a neutral handling, as fast around Virginia International Raceway Road Course as a stock Impala SS, dog car. German Shepards, bred by Nazi's, two both over 120 pounds so 8000 pounds really isn't so hard to understand right?

PPS SPRINGS! You want me to write about SPRINGS!?!. The search is your friend. Spare yourself the stream of consciousness.
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Seems like quite a list and maybe a good approach to attack it all at once. Some items I did notice missing but assume these will also be done along with the lower BJs.....upper BJs, inner/Outter tie rods, center link, idler arm, adjusters sleeves (steel or billet). If you are doing the body bushings, are you also going to do the Control arm bushings? I would. New lock nuts on the upper control arm shafts since they will be loosened for alignment or removed for bushing install.....DONT REUSE THESE.

Along with steering and suspension pieces, may not be a bad idea to consider a jeep shaft to to replace the stock b-body steering shaft/rag joint. Not sure I get the wide tire/wandering theory though. After recent overhaul/upgrade to 5/8" lower ball joints and a complete rebuild/replacement of most parts, my car tracks true and straight with good control and no wandering. This is running stock wheels and 255/50/17 tires.
The Hotchkis steering rebuild kit includes the idler arm, tie rods, and center link, and pitman arm I believe. I also got Hotchkis tie rod sleeves. I'll add upper BJ's to the list as well as ctrl arms bushings and lock nuts for upper ctrl arms shafts. Good ideas, these are the things I'm looking for. I am aware that our steering shafts suck but I don't think I'm gonna add a jeep shaft to the list quite yet due to cost. I've got a 2k $ pile of parts the way it is and this big install isn't going to be cheap so I might forego the jeep shaft for financial reasons. Great input sir

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