I have a 4l65e with converter from gm that was in my impala when i baught it with reciept has about 12k on it. I took that one out when i built the motor and put it a built 4l60e that has 8k on it. Its a raptor race transmission but was taken out when i went to a t56 that i currently have now. The 4l65e comes with the gm convertor that was with it. The raptor transmission has no convertor. I did have to take out the lockup soleniod from the 4l65e to make the 4l60e work in my 96. Iam asking 600 for each tranny.Both trannys were in good working order when removed and the 4l60e went 11.5's in my car with no problems.