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Timmay;
I tolded you I'd get it done!
Lorne;
Car show judging is a funny thing. There is so much to say about it.
First of all, to make it fair, that's why we have TWO judges for each car AND we have them do the whole class. So that way even if your car is judged hard that same 'hard' judge will/should judge hard across the whole class, thereby (theoretically) evening the playing field.
Second point - a car show is not as much about LOOKS (because damn your car was sharp looking) but about how the scoring system works at car shows. Take a look at an ISSCA scoring sheet, it's more about sheer cleanliness than looks or styling. A car with a dent that is cleaner than a perfect car that has some dirt will score better by strict ISSCA scoring standards.
One of the issues is that the ISSCA car show scoring system was developed close to when these cars were new. So most fell in low mileage and stock categories so the only way to differentiate was to see who could clean theirs better. We have been talking for a few years about how to update our scoring system without opening a huge can of worms. No one has the time or wants the backlash to attempt it yet lol.
Example - A few people came up to me and said that they thought I should have won in my class because they liked my car better than the people that finished ahead of me. I disagreed with them strongly. Taste is a unquantifiable subject, so you can't judge on what a certain person likes and doesn't like. I mean I guess subconsciously you do to a degree but you aren't supposed to judge that way.
You have to judge by the points system. You see, it's not a FASHION SHOW, it's a car show which really is a contest to see who can detail better-er.
So I firmly believe the cars that finished ahead of me deserved it WAY more than I did, their cars were spotless and clean and shiny and polished and their owners worked very hard to get them that way. They were some impressive rides. I was in awe at their cleanliness. Yes, mine was raced hard all week and had some dirt that I wasn't going to get off but those are the breaks. Next year I go in the Drag Race Car Show Class lol. I was pretty much the top points getter for a car that didn't win anything but that's the way it goes, I know I'm in the toughest class out there since my class is highly modified cars so I never expect to win. The only car ahead of me that also didn't win something was Harper and his new PPV came in 2nd by a hair against another brand new car (2014 SS) so he still got a trophy IIRC.
That's why we have some Peoples Choice Awards (Spirit of Chino) and the STP/Armour All Award and the Hendrick Award etc. That way people can pick overall packages that appeal to them that may not be the most perfectly detailed.
Finally, there could always be human error. We take all the sheets and Pat and crew bust butt to tally them, add them again, compile onto spreadsheets, and figure out who is in what class and who wins. I can't tell you how difficult that is to do manually. Last year we forget someone's sheet and didn't rectify it until he came forward. It wasn't on purpose but that gentleman was so upset he asked for his money back and left ISSCA. We are humans trying to compile all that in just a few minutes after the show, plus calculate Best of ISSCA, etc. So...I hate to say it but there is always the chance of a mistake. We really really try and check and re-check but it happens.
Hope that helps a little...
I tolded you I'd get it done!
Lorne;
Car show judging is a funny thing. There is so much to say about it.
First of all, to make it fair, that's why we have TWO judges for each car AND we have them do the whole class. So that way even if your car is judged hard that same 'hard' judge will/should judge hard across the whole class, thereby (theoretically) evening the playing field.
Second point - a car show is not as much about LOOKS (because damn your car was sharp looking) but about how the scoring system works at car shows. Take a look at an ISSCA scoring sheet, it's more about sheer cleanliness than looks or styling. A car with a dent that is cleaner than a perfect car that has some dirt will score better by strict ISSCA scoring standards.
One of the issues is that the ISSCA car show scoring system was developed close to when these cars were new. So most fell in low mileage and stock categories so the only way to differentiate was to see who could clean theirs better. We have been talking for a few years about how to update our scoring system without opening a huge can of worms. No one has the time or wants the backlash to attempt it yet lol.
Example - A few people came up to me and said that they thought I should have won in my class because they liked my car better than the people that finished ahead of me. I disagreed with them strongly. Taste is a unquantifiable subject, so you can't judge on what a certain person likes and doesn't like. I mean I guess subconsciously you do to a degree but you aren't supposed to judge that way.
You have to judge by the points system. You see, it's not a FASHION SHOW, it's a car show which really is a contest to see who can detail better-er.
So I firmly believe the cars that finished ahead of me deserved it WAY more than I did, their cars were spotless and clean and shiny and polished and their owners worked very hard to get them that way. They were some impressive rides. I was in awe at their cleanliness. Yes, mine was raced hard all week and had some dirt that I wasn't going to get off but those are the breaks. Next year I go in the Drag Race Car Show Class lol. I was pretty much the top points getter for a car that didn't win anything but that's the way it goes, I know I'm in the toughest class out there since my class is highly modified cars so I never expect to win. The only car ahead of me that also didn't win something was Harper and his new PPV came in 2nd by a hair against another brand new car (2014 SS) so he still got a trophy IIRC.
That's why we have some Peoples Choice Awards (Spirit of Chino) and the STP/Armour All Award and the Hendrick Award etc. That way people can pick overall packages that appeal to them that may not be the most perfectly detailed.
Finally, there could always be human error. We take all the sheets and Pat and crew bust butt to tally them, add them again, compile onto spreadsheets, and figure out who is in what class and who wins. I can't tell you how difficult that is to do manually. Last year we forget someone's sheet and didn't rectify it until he came forward. It wasn't on purpose but that gentleman was so upset he asked for his money back and left ISSCA. We are humans trying to compile all that in just a few minutes after the show, plus calculate Best of ISSCA, etc. So...I hate to say it but there is always the chance of a mistake. We really really try and check and re-check but it happens.
Hope that helps a little...
