A 75,000 mile V4P has taken a bath ...

91ss said:

The 91 was totaled twice from being hit by other drivers. Their insurance companies handed over the check and had zero interest in getting the car. Just more cost for them to deal with.

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I’m going to be forced to buy it back if that’s the way I want to go. No free lunch here.

ayilar said:

@Caddyshack95 -- truly sorry to read here about your bad fortune.

I don't have hard data for 1995 (or 1996, and I've looked far and wide for them), but the actual figure for 1994 was posted on the CF by @FleetwoodAddict here:

1994 Fleetwood database

1994 Cadillac Fleetwood Production Numbers 27,473 Total 17,794 Brougham Package 9,679 Base Options: A23: Solar Reflective Windshield / 4567 B05: Armored Body Equipment / 5 B18: Brougham Package / 17794 B9Q: Hearse Conversion / 736 CB5: Vinyl Covered Padded Roof / 16081 CF5: Astroroof Sunroof /...

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In 1994, a mere 713 Fleetwood/FWB came with the V4P Trailering Package with 3.42 axle, out of 27,473 produced. That is less than 3%.

Note that an additional 904 FW/FWB came equipped with the (less desirable, IMHO) V92 package with 2.93 axle in 1994. The total with either TP was thus 1,617/27,473 = 5.9%.

PS: I doubt that the numbers are much higher for 1995, as the info for 1993 shows 2,505 FW/FWB (out of a total of 31,777 produced) had the V4P package. AFAIK, there was no V92 package for 1993 (mentioning this just in case your adjuster mentions the 2,505 figures). So that's 6.9% of the 1993s with the TP. See here:

1993 Fleetwood Database

1993 Cadillac Fleetwood Production Numbers 31777 Total 22105 Brougham Package 9672 Base Options: B05: Armored Body Equipment / 18 B18: Brougham Package / 22105 B9Q: Hearse Conversion / 375 CB5: Vinyl Covered Padded Roof / 24381 CF5: Astroroof Sunroof / 1642 DD8: Electrochromic rearview mirror /...

www.cadillacforums.com

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Thank you so so much! So at that rate, at 2.59% V4P of 16k 1995 cars, that’s 419 tow pack cars ever made.

Mine is a base model, no hard top, even more desirable.
There are probably only 100 or less tow pack cars from that year even in existence.

How would I go about valuing the tow pack cars since there are NONE for sale?

ayilar said:

PPS: it took me 11 months to find a V4P in very good mechanical and cosmetic condition that was not priced "crazily" -- I saw a few excellent ones in the $20k+ range, mine was quite a bit less. Happy to share via PM if you need that info, even if I doubt that your adjuster will be interested in hearing it.

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Thank you. I’ll try and get in touch. Very busy trying to crunch numbers.


I remember you took a long time trying to find yours!

Caddylack said:

I will post what I told Kevin privately...

You can easily appeal their offer on an informal basis by just showing them receipts and linking them to similar vehicles that have sold.

When my B4U was totaled, I was able to get partial reimbursement for parts that I didn't have receipts for. So, don't be so pessimistic, this could still go well for you.

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I wasn’t thinking about parts with no receipts which would be the headers I bought from you

Caddylack said:

Haha, yep, you beat me to it.

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@95wagon I agree about rarity, but at this point it's also about valuation. Their "comps" are tow pack cars so we're not on a 1:1 basis here.

I need tow packs to support my valuation (hoping it's huge). It's all the insurance game and I am trying to play their card against them.



ALSO! They are claiming that a comp MUST be a '95 or '96. They won't allow me to use a '94 model.... Claim that they can't adjust the price for a one year older car. Does this sound bogus to you?

ayilar said:

You are welcome! Lack of vinyl top is more desirable to me too, but I would respectfully beg to differ on the base model's being more valuable. To me at least, the seats are less comfortable and the wheels are not as nice.

As for there being none for sale, I tried to keep track of all FB/CL postings and all eBay auctions while I was hunting. Happy to share the info with you if you are interested--as mentioned, just PM me if that info is helpful.

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I know what you mean on seats, but the Brougham vinyl delete was like hen's teeth.

Regarding the OEM rims, those are cheap and easy to replace if one desired to have the Brougham look. I have different rims (Chevy Tahoe limited) on mine, so it's a moot point, but a good one.


The base model was super rare as an option as the Brougham is what most people bought (again making my car more rare).

Caddylack said:

This type of stuff is typical. These people are not B-body experts, so you can't expect them to understand all of the differences and similarities. They make calls based on overall statistics that apply to the general car market.

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Exactly. They are trying to say that the few V4P vehicles I found listed (low miles) are that price solely because of low miles and not the tow pack car.

Some of it is that, but I have a good argument going. We'll see what happens.

Marky Dissod said:

Sounds weird.
What, the '94 is too dissimilar to the '95, because the mirrors are different, and '95 & '96 are similar?

What they 'can' or 'cannot' do, seems more like 'will' or 'will not' do.
Guess it's their system. They made the rules, and they're the referees too.

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That's my issue. They are calling their own balls and strikes, which is very frustrating.

Marky Dissod said:

They probably don't know HOW ...
but if they don't like the results, I bet they adjust a few knobs / buttons / levers til the recalculations are more favorable.

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Bingo!

sherlock9c1 said:

Is this car being dried out yet? If it's still got water in it, it's about to be completely worthless with mold and corrosion.

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Yes. I shop vacc'ed it immediately and then we stripped the interior.

It's been all detailed/shampooed and treated with mold killer. The car will run again I certainly hope. It runs now, but need to do a full fluid change before we really hurt the motor.



At this point I am fighting valuation with insurance.


Speaking of that.... anyone want an 800 mile Cadillac V4P? Only $80,000!