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Fellow ISSF members,

@Caddyshack95 has suffered a force majeure event: his home was flooded under 4 feet of water.

Among worse things, his '95 Fleetwood V4P has taken a bath.
According to him, the water did not reach the bottom of the seat cushions.

The water only got up to the floorboards, but not quite up to the seat cushions.
The insurance company - Grange - has totaled it.
Grange has not yet stated the valuation, which he fears will be drastically underestimated, given that it's a V4P.

How does he fight the valuation if Grange underestimates?
Since it's likely Grange will underestimate the value of the car, how does he go about fighting the undervaluation?
How does he go about keeping the V4P?

Oh - how many '95 V4P were produced?

Any advice regarding the above, or any other advice or assistance of any kind would be most appreciated.
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@Caddyshack95 -- truly sorry to read here about your bad fortune.

I don't have hard data for 1995 (or 1996, and I've looked far and wide for them), but the actual figure for 1994 was posted on the CF by @FleetwoodAddict here:


In 1994, a mere 713 Fleetwood/FWB came with the V4P Trailering Package with 3.42 axle, out of 27,473 produced. That is less than 3%.

Note that an additional 904 FW/FWB came equipped with the (less desirable, IMHO) V92 package with 2.93 axle in 1994. The total with either TP was thus 1,617/27,473 = 5.9%.

PS: I doubt that the numbers are much higher for 1995, as the info for 1993 shows 2,505 FW/FWB (out of a total of 31,777 produced) had the V4P package. AFAIK, there was no V92 package for 1993 (mentioning this just in case your adjuster mentions the 2,505 figures). So that's 6.9% of the 1993s with the TP. See here:

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PPS: it took me 11 months to find a V4P in very good mechanical and cosmetic condition that was not priced "crazily" -- I saw a few excellent ones in the $20k+ range, mine was quite a bit less. Happy to share via PM if you need that info, even if I doubt that your adjuster will be interested in hearing it.
Thank you so so much! (...)

Mine is a base model, no hard top, even more desirable.
There are probably only 100 or less tow pack cars from that year even in existence.

How would I go about valuing the tow pack cars since there are NONE for sale?
You are welcome! Lack of vinyl top is more desirable to me too, but I would respectfully beg to differ on the base model's being more valuable. To me at least, the seats are less comfortable and the wheels are not as nice.

As for there being none for sale, I tried to keep track of all FB/CL postings and all eBay auctions while I was hunting. Happy to share the info with you if you are interested--as mentioned, just PM me if that info is helpful.
Looks like @93-96 Fleetwood addict stopped posting Dec 25 '20, and last seen mid Feb '21.
ayilar, might he respond if you try to contact him by Private Message / Conversation, through that forum?
PM sent, let's see!
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A 1996 V4P has just gone up for sale. NOT a base model:

Looks like @93-96 Fleetwood addict stopped posting Dec 25 '20, and last seen mid Feb '21.
ayilar, might he respond if you try to contact him by Private Message / Conversation, through that forum?
PM sent, let's see!
No response after two weeks. I had reached out to him a few months ago, with the same question, but without luck. I hope he's OK and will respond eventually: if he does, then I'll post here.
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There is a white 1996 FWB with V4P package for sale on CL in Dallas, TX. 101,580 miles, $10.9k ask. Here are some photos of 1G6DW52P4TR704115 for records (car looks clean, but AFAIK the wheel covers are not correct for a Brougham). From the ad:

"Cotillion White with Tan Leather Interior, painted-on pinstripes, cold a/c & hot heat, original factory AM/FM Stereo, heated seats, full-size spare, 2 keyless entry remotes, 2 sets of keys (1 gold set), air-leveling pump and rear air shocks work perfectly, factory steel limo wheels with Hancook whitewall tires. This Fleetwood was sold by the Clinton Lindburg Cadillac Dealership with an original window sticker price of $40,410.00. This is a very rare car with the Trailer-Towing Package Option, Clean Carfax and very well maintained. The paint, chrome, emblems, vinyl top and interior all are in like-new condition. I just spent $2,600 at MasterTech Auto Care in Plano, Texas on November 23, 2022 - they replaced the oil pan gasket, rear-main seal, oil filter housing gasket, and the oil cooler lines. The transmission & brakes were also checked and verified no leaks and all good. The work is done - this car is ready to drive, wax, pamper, and enjoy - it's a beautiful car! Items included with the car: original Dealer's Invoice, original Owner's Manual, the General Motors 1996 Two-Volume Repair Manual, and all service receipts"

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V4Ps are few and far between, but here is another one that went up for sale 4 days ago on FB in Chicago, IL. It looks in excellent shape cosmetically, I see no rust, and it has a mere 34.5k miles: the ask is $15k. From the ad (with punctuation edited for readability):

"Super clean, no rust. Garage kept (...) Still has that new car smell, everything works, just needs a new Home. Price is FIRM."

PS: I do note that the side bolster of the drivers seat seems to have been repaired, which is surprising given the low miles. Perhaps the driver used the car for lots of short trips and/or was in city traffic for long hours without moving much).

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At the lower end of the market, here is a 1994 FWB with towing package for sale on CL in Long Island, NY. I don't have the RPO tag and so do not know for sure whether it has the V4P or V92 package but, if I had to guess, I'd say Brougham with V4P.

The car has a number of issues (what's with the missing moldings and the goop on the vinyl top, the cracked dash, the ripped-up driver panel, the incorrect driver's seat, the wires hanging from the dash), but the exterior seems surprisingly rush-free for a Northeast car with 123k miles. If so, then the asking price of $2.5k looks like a bargain.

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