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Haha, yep, you beat me to it.
@95wagon I agree about rarity, but at this point it's also about valuation. Their "comps" are tow pack cars so we're not on a 1:1 basis here.

I need tow packs to support my valuation (hoping it's huge). It's all the insurance game and I am trying to play their card against them.



ALSO! They are claiming that a comp MUST be a '95 or '96. They won't allow me to use a '94 model.... Claim that they can't adjust the price for a one year older car. Does this sound bogus to you?

You are welcome! Lack of vinyl top is more desirable to me too, but I would respectfully beg to differ on the base model's being more valuable. To me at least, the seats are less comfortable and the wheels are not as nice.

As for there being none for sale, I tried to keep track of all FB/CL postings and all eBay auctions while I was hunting. Happy to share the info with you if you are interested--as mentioned, just PM me if that info is helpful.
I know what you mean on seats, but the Brougham vinyl delete was like hen's teeth.

Regarding the OEM rims, those are cheap and easy to replace if one desired to have the Brougham look. I have different rims (Chevy Tahoe limited) on mine, so it's a moot point, but a good one.


The base model was super rare as an option as the Brougham is what most people bought (again making my car more rare).
 

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Make a good case when you talk to the adjuster. It's on him to find a number and you to point out what he didn't account for. Very highly doubt he'll want it so you have to buy it back. They're mission is to get out on the cheap. They don't want the hassle to dispose of '30 year old junk'. Sadly, that's all it is in their eyes. Message they told me. Fix it, scrap it, etc. they don't care. Only if you try to resell it might it show up in a carfax report as totalled. I keep my junk forever so didn't matter to me.

This assuming it's a regular insurance company.
 

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Will do... Yes, they obviously did not account for it. That's where I am going to hammer them. I found a few V4P cars and they are not cheap. I will use that as leverage.

They are insisting I will have to pay value for scrap. Saying it'll be $1k to have the salvage of it and keep the car myself.


Frustrating how it's different with different companies.
 

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How much can one realistically hope to get parting out?
Or ,is there a possibility the car can be returned to service?
 

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@95wagon I agree about rarity, but at this point it's also about valuation.
I think you need to re-read his post, because you missed the point pretty badly.

Gerry is saying that the rarity of the car does not necessarily mean anything as far as valuation.

To most people, the 3.42 gears just means worse MPG. It isn't automatically a price boost.
 

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ALSO! They are claiming that a comp MUST be a '95 or '96. They won't allow me to use a '94 model.... Claim that they can't adjust the price for a one year older car. Does this sound bogus to you?
This type of stuff is typical. These people are not B-body experts, so you can't expect them to understand all of the differences and similarities. They make calls based on overall statistics that apply to the general car market.
 

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ALSO! They are claiming that a comp MUST be a '95 or '96. They won't allow me to use a '94 model.
Claim that they can't adjust the price for a one year older car. Does this sound bogus to you?
Sounds weird.
What, the '94 is too dissimilar to the '95, because the mirrors are different, and '95 & '96 are similar?

What they 'can' or 'cannot' do, seems more like 'will' or 'will not' do.
Guess it's their system. They made the rules, and they're the referees too.
 

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Sounds weird.
What, the '94 is too dissimilar to the '95, because the mirrors are different, and '95 & '96 are similar?

What they 'can' or 'cannot' do, seems more like 'will' or 'will not' do.
Guess it's their system. They made the rules, and they're the referees too.
It has nothing to do with the mirrors. They probably just make broad-sweep calls about this stuff without any details. Who knows how their AI calculates.
 

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Who knows how their AI calculates.
They probably don't know HOW ...
but if they don't like the results, I bet they adjust a few knobs / buttons / levers til the recalculations are more favorable.
 

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Haha. Death Valley (or Wash. state) level temps around here since those rains. If it's been in the open with the windows cracked since then, it'll be well autoclaved by now. But alas, giant pours promised again tonight.
 

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A 1996 V4P has just gone up for sale. NOT a base model:

 

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This type of stuff is typical. These people are not B-body experts, so you can't expect them to understand all of the differences and similarities. They make calls based on overall statistics that apply to the general car market.
Exactly. They are trying to say that the few V4P vehicles I found listed (low miles) are that price solely because of low miles and not the tow pack car.

Some of it is that, but I have a good argument going. We'll see what happens.


Sounds weird.
What, the '94 is too dissimilar to the '95, because the mirrors are different, and '95 & '96 are similar?

What they 'can' or 'cannot' do, seems more like 'will' or 'will not' do.
Guess it's their system. They made the rules, and they're the referees too.
That's my issue. They are calling their own balls and strikes, which is very frustrating.


They probably don't know HOW ...
but if they don't like the results, I bet they adjust a few knobs / buttons / levers til the recalculations are more favorable.
Bingo!


Is this car being dried out yet? If it's still got water in it, it's about to be completely worthless with mold and corrosion.

Yes. I shop vacc'ed it immediately and then we stripped the interior.

It's been all detailed/shampooed and treated with mold killer. The car will run again I certainly hope. It runs now, but need to do a full fluid change before we really hurt the motor.



At this point I am fighting valuation with insurance.


Speaking of that.... anyone want an 800 mile Cadillac V4P? Only $80,000!

 

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Still interested to know what value you put on your car before the swim.

What do you feel a similar condition similar miles non V4P is worth ?
I have a suspicion that this amount, and the amount he actually paid for the car, are very far apart. Call me a conspiracy theorist.
 

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Still interested to know what value you put on your car before the swim.

What do you feel a similar condition similar miles non V4P is worth ?
A non V4P? Seems that non-V4P cars are going for $8k-15k in various conditions. Trashed vehicles are less than that.


A 16k mile tow pack with an incorrect Brougham top (aftermarket) just sold for $23k.
 

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So, even if V4P is not visually sexy enough to be considered for its rarity, you should be able to get a decent valuation.
(I never understood putting a yarmulke on a car.)
 
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