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Does anyone know of any companies that supply aftermarket intermediate steering shafts. I would think that it would have to be telescoping like the original equipment, but I have only been able to find a few universal units. I am not very impressed with the original unit and the amount of "play" that it has. Both my 88 and 96 caprice developed this "play" around 130,000 miles.

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Thank you, that is exactly what I am looking for. Have you had a chance to compare one of these shafts to the stock unit.

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Bill : is there an "off the shelf" part number for this?

Mine is getting a little sloppy, and other than the steering gearbox it's damn near the only stock part left in the front end anyways :D
 
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This is a new item, and I don't know if they have actually assigned a P/N, or if an existing part they already make for the GM trucks works "as is". The one I have has their vibration isolator/U-joint combination at the lower end, where the stock B-body part has a rag joint. They should still be able to make the rag joint version, but the part I have would seem to me to be more precise. I have not taken the time to install the shaft yet--too many other things taking priority at the moment.

Drop a line to Gil Evans or just call him to get the "straight skinny".
 
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Did anyone find out any more info? If not, I'll try to make the call & post. The boot on mine is just about gone but seems to function just fine. Wanted to replace the boot portion only, if possible. Dal quoted $102, can only get the whole steering shaft.
 
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If you're looking for "Inexpensive" the Borgeson may not be the way to go.
We have done the Shafts in all the polished
stainless and it comes out to around
$400.00 from Borgeson.
They may have designed a budget plain steel
version that i don't know of.

Also, unless they designed a special connector for the column end you will need to fabricate an insert to fit inside the stock column for the normal Borgeson set screws to tighten against.Otherwise you will get some slop.

FWIW
 
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The part I got is plain steel, not polished or stainless, so it is available for less than the amount suggested, I'm sure. The truck shafts in the Borgeson catalog are in the $200 range, as I recall.

Paul, are you saying the "double-D" shape that Borgeson puts on the end of the U-joint to mate to the GM column is a poor fit? This is a part made specifically for GM columns, not a "universal" design to be adapted. I still have not installed it, and will look for what you are talking about, but I'll be surprised to find it to be a problem. This is a pretty neat piece.

I just saw a post somewhere today on a digest asking about what could be done for the boot on the stock upper shaft that deteriorates so quickly due to exhaust heat, especially with some of the header systems being used. Since the Borgeson shaft has pre-lubed Torrington (made in USA!) needle bearing U-joints, seems like it ought to be more durable, but it might still be a good idea to protect the upper joint from heat exposure.

I know, you STILL want to know "how much" ($$) this thing costs, and the truth is I don't know, since this is a prototype piece, based on a stock shaft I sent to Borgeson.
 
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Follow-up on my previous post and Paul R's comments.

I spoke with Gil Evans, my contact at Borgeson. The cost of a flanged, collapsible column, that attaches to the existing "rag joint" is in the $190-$200 range, for the complete replacement part. It is not being produced for the B-body at present, since there has not been sufficient demand.

The unit I have is plain steel, and has 2 universal joints, the lower one replacing the "rag" joint with an isolator/U-joint combination that attaches directly to the steering gear spline shaft. According to Gil, this unit will cost about $250. While this may seem "alot", the part is generally superior to stock, gets rid of the rag joint, and has a 2-year/30,000 mile warranty (no I don't know how they enforce the mileage part of this). The reason Borgeson is using the isolator/U-joint design for now, which is why it costs more, is thaat the shaft can be cut to length, where the rag-joint type is a fixed length. You can use stainless steel U-joints, but the collapsible shaft is only available in regular steel.

As far as Paul's comments about poor fit at the steering column, Gil understands what he is referring to, and it may be a matter of whether the bolt or pin that secures the double-D joint goes through one or both flats of the D-section of the joint. I'll get a further clarification on this, but I don't think there is a problem here--I'll take the information and put it out here, but I do expect I'll find that I like the Borgeson shaft better than the stock unit.

Borgeson does acknowledge that heat is still the enemy, and it would not hurt to protect the upper U-joint from an exhaust that is closer than 2 inches to the joint.
 
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Bill,

I don't seem to recall anything about a poor fit.
The problem lies in the fact that the stock GM column DD is not a solid piece of shafting and has a through hole that the set screw passes through and has to bottom out on the other side of the Borgeson joint passing right through the shaft.The set screws are 1/4 inch, the hole is aound 7/16.

As far as the rest of your comments, install the shaft and get back with some real world experience. Experience beats speculation every day.
 
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I'm curious to see how this Borgeson shaft turns out.

I emailed Borgeson after the shaft. They say a part number for the impala/caprice is not available yet, but they do have a shaft with updated joints and so on they will work. Since it is the adjustable shaft, some trim to fit may be required. Cost would be $266 plus UPS.

This doesn't sound too bad, considering the Borgeson should be superior to the stock shaft like Bill H. said.
 
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Flaming River offers a nice steering shaft that I use on the Street Rods we build. Its like a metal cable that flex's, instead of having to use a center heims joint and universals. Hope this helps! :cool:
 
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Bill,

Any word on the aftermarket steering shaft install? I'm in the market to buy a NEW shaft to fix the worn one on the 9c1.

You'll be amazed how much fun is taken out when the steering is all sloppy.
 
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Brian,

I've been busy with a bunch of other things, and the car has been low priority. I'll put the shaft in soon and report.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Navy Lifer:
Brian,

I've been busy with a bunch of other things, and the car has been low priority. I'll put the shaft in soon and report.
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Thanks Bill.
 
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How are we doing on this?

I am looking at replacing this shaft in my car along with the rest of the steering system I have yet not changed.

Steering gear, steering pump and probably the lines and maybe even use the trans cooler to cool it since I need a bigger one.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elixir:
How are we doing on this?
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I went ahead and bought a new shaft kit for a little over $140. I should be putting it on pretty soon along with solid tie rod sleeves and bilstein shocks. Then it's off to the alignment shop. I can report back if anyone wants results. I'm getting damn tired of the sloppiness.
 
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bdwinkler,

who did you purchase the kit from? I need to make this purchase soon, and the Borgeson units look good.

Mike
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by My9C1:
bdwinkler,
who did you purchase the kit from? I need to make this purchase soon, and the Borgeson units look good.
Mike
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Mike,

I got it from Sam at Fairway Chevy. I found his info from this post.
http://www.impalassforum.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=000739

$142 < $260~270

Seems the only people having steering shaft problems are 9c1 folks, I figure if I drive like grandpa most of the time I should be safe with the stock part. The abuse was most likely from the police tenure.
 
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The stock shaft should hold up under normal driving conditions, but I think I will go aftermarket when I make the purchase. I have a tendency to push the car hard, and I like the added security.

Mike--
 
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