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I'm going to be calling the folks at Classic Tube in Lancaster, NY tomorrow because I need to get some pre-bent transmission lines for a Chevy Truck. There was a group purchase for stainless steel brake lines from Classic Tube several years ago. I was pleased with the sets that I got for my 96 Caprice with rear drum and my 96 DCM.

I'll ask if they would offer any discounts for a group purchase. They offer pre-bent stainless steel sets for the brakes, transmission, and fuel lines.
 

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If you can swing a GP on the trans lines put me down for a set. Mine need to be replaceds, starting to rust through, but if not for that the lower transmission to radiator connection is rusted into the radiator connector. I can probably get the radiator fitting out but I will have to trash the current lines on the car. Also what would be the correct part for a '95 9C1 the 4 piece kit or the 5 piece kit? GM lists the same cooler lines for all 94 to 96 vehicles. However the Classic Tube site lists a 4 piece kit for the 91-95's and a 5 piece kit for the 96's . If you can find that out that would be appreciated. And if they can do a GP on them even better, but at minimum finding out the correct set of lines to order would be great. - Peter
 

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Inline Tube vs Classic Tube Info

Inline Tube is in Michigan. They have hard line brake sets listed for the 1991-96 Caprice and Impala SS (depending on if you have rear disc or drum brakes). The standard cost from Inline Tube is $185 for a set of stainless steel brake lines. They do not have any tranny lines or fuel lines listed on their website for our cars. I will call to ask if they have any patterns scanned into their system for the other lines. I'm specifically interested in fuel lines and tranny lines since I already have stainless steel brake lines for both my Caprice and Impala SS.

Classic Tube is near Buffalo, NY. They have stainless steel hard lines brake sets for the 1991 - 96 Capice and Impala SS listed at $225. The 5 piece tranny line set in Stainless for the 96 Impala ss and Caprice with the external tranny cooler is $99. The fuel line in Stainless for the 96 Caprice/Impala SS is also $99.

So, based on the cost of the brake line sets, if Inline Tube can make fuel lines and tranny lines for the 91 to 96 B-bodies, then they will probably get my business because they already have all of the lines that I need for my 94 Chevy K1500. I'll let you know what I find out.
 

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Oh and I forgot to mention this there are different lines used for the L99 w/ external trans cooler and the LT1 w/ external trans cooler. The lower(on the transmission port and radiator port) line on the LT1 line has a TCC temperature sender & block whereas the L99 one does not. And of course the L99 w/ only the radiator transmission cooler uses a different upper line which does not allow for the external cooler.

Looking at Inline Tubes catalog they only have the brake lines for the 91-96's, albeit at a better price than Classic Tube, Inline Tube part # CFB9102 for 94-96 w/ rear disk and CFB9101 for 91-96 with rear drum, not the transmission cooler lines. - Peter
 

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Oh and I forgot to mention this there are different lines used for the L99 w/ external trans cooler and the LT1 w/ external trans cooler. The lower(on the transmission port and radiator port) line on the LT1 line has a TCC temperature sender & block whereas the L99 one does not. And of course the L99 w/ only the radiator transmission cooler uses a different upper line which does not allow for the external cooler.

Looking at Inline Tubes catalog they only have the brake lines for the 91-96's, albeit at a better price than Classic Tube, Inline Tube part # CFB9102 for 94-96 w/ rear disk and CFB9101 for 91-96 with rear drum, not the transmission cooler lines. - Peter
I got my brake lines from Inline, they don't come with the 2 short ones from the master and 2 of the lines they sent were bent wrong :mad:
 

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I was in GP brake line kit a few yrs ago from Classic Tubes for my 96 Caprice. I only used the ABS lines to the master cyl and they fit almost perfect, just needed a little bending.
 

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I just talked to a guy in "tech support" at Inline Tube. They do not have ANY patterns for the transmission lines or fuel lines for a 1991 to 96 Caprice or Impala SS. The catch-22 is that they would be happy to scan someone's lines if you have a set sitting around. I started down this path because I need all sorts of hard lines for my truck. the difference in the cost of the brake line set from Inline Tube to Classic Tube is a whopping $109!! It makes me wonder what's missing if one set is so much cheaper!

More to come once I talk to a sales person instead of the technical support guys.
 

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I would be interested in a set of transmission lines if a GP is in the works.

When I did a frame off resto on my 1970 Olds 4-4-2, I used 'The Right Stuff' for stainless brake and fuel lines. Everything fit perfectly, fast shipment, and excellent customer service.

They are locted here: http://www.getdiscbrakes.com/RightStuff/Default.aspx

As consideration for another supplier if we can't get Inline to reproduce them.
 

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Right Stuff

Funny, when I needed brake lines for my 88 Chevy truck Right Stuff jerked me around considerably before I got what I wanted. I'll never buy anything from them again if I can help it. I sent them all the line from my truck so they could scan them and put them in their catalog. They couldn't find them, they would be done 'next week' and they got the lines from the master to the prop valve wrong.
Your results may vary.

Ken Hennessy
 

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Funny, when I needed brake lines for my 88 Chevy truck Right Stuff jerked me around considerably before I got what I wanted. I'll never buy anything from them again if I can help it. I sent them all the line from my truck so they could scan them and put them in their catalog. They couldn't find them, they would be done 'next week' and they got the lines from the master to the prop valve wrong.
Your results may vary.

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Ken,
I'm surprised to read that, I had an excellent experience with them. I was in a rush to finish the 4-4-2 at the time (Was moving to Austin, from Woodstock, and had only a few weeks to complete a frame-off mostly by myself) and they forgot to send me the brake hoses with the original order. They sent them out via UPS overnight the same day I called them, on their dime.

Oh well...I just finished writing Fred in their sales department regarding stainless transmission line pricing. Here's his reply:


Most orders ship within 24 hours. One set of tranny lines in stainless would be $75. 10 sets would be $600.

Best regards,
Frederick "Bear" Jensen
p 800.405.2000
f 614.523.3659
 

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I feel your "pain"

Having dealt with several of these companies for axle hard lines for the various rear disc brake kits I've created over the past number of years, I can attest to the confusion that seems to prevail. Frustrating, yes, but as long as all involved keep their cool, it is possible to eventually get what you need.

What I do not know is whether any of these automotive hard plumbing suppliers have actually made products for the OEM's, using production drawings, or if they're totally based on copying sample lines from individual (private) customers.

As far as I know, the online catalogs for Classic & Inline are, in the main, based on what they've been asked to produce, mainly by restoration customers. To my knowledge, these companies do not bring in complete vehicles to pull individual plumbing items and copy them--it's based on parts sent by those needing a replacement for "this or that" which the suppliers can justify producing, cataloging, etc.

The bread & butter of their operations reside in cars from prior to 1980, an era of vehicles which has been thoroughly massaged and researched, while the late B-body, as much as we view it in the same way as those older vehicles, hardly qualifies as something that is going to produce anywhere near the business for them as the cars being restored by muscle car and/or pre-smog (before 1975) era enthusiasts.

It may be that some day, the year by year configuration differences for the B-body will be properly clarified by (or for) one or all of the suppliers of replacement plumbing--although it'll take patience and luck.

To me, one of the biggest issues for newer cars, including ours, is the transition from SAE to metric fittings and the implementation of the "global" ISO bubble flare joint design for brake systems, which is more difficult to fabricate in the field, requires a special flare tool that many may not have or are unfamiliar with, and in most cases is not something you will find replacement line stock at the local parts store in a "ready to use" condition (with metric end fittings or ISO flares).

The alternative is "do it yourself" or reaching out to someone like George Bates, for example, who created some replacement fabricated (with braided hose) transmission cooler lines using the production tubing--basically providing a new flexible element section of the original lines. What he was looking for was to have people supply him with cores--sending him back the defective cooler lines that came off their cars to be fitted with new hoses for the next customer.

The ironic part of this is that somewhere within the GM inner sanctum, there HAD to be prints/drawings/specs for a supplier to follow in order to produce the plumbing in quantity--I don't think this was something GM did inside their own plants. Finding that sort of information would be akin to discovering gold in your own backyard--maybe an inquiry to the GM Heritage Center would be in order, never know what it might reveal.
 
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