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I hate to beat a dead horse... but I just got my show results today... rather interesting if you take a look at them

Lets start with front exterior... Bumper/grill/airdam... avg of 4.5... not too shabby, knowing that I have scraped the hell out of the airdam with my lowered SS...

Headlights... avg of 2.5?! What the heck, how much better can you get than brand new? I mean after my wreck, all that stuff had to be replaced...

Paint Hood, fenders, mirrors... avg 5... damn straight, there be fresh paint on every square inch of my SS

Windshield wipers avg 4... yea I know, they dont look so hot after 120k miles, but atleast I had new blades

Tires/Wheels... again, all four have less than 300 miles on them... and I took them off the night before and had them shiney as hell... then I cleaned the stupid tire treads as I waited in line...

Brakes - calipers: 3, yea they werent soo hot looking =/ I would tend to agree with that

Fender wells, frame, swayber... 3... well the fender wells are new, the frame has been raped and straightened twice and the swaybar is brand new... is dark rust colored frame worth 2 points?

Engine... We wont even go into this... the best I got was a 4, yea it was kinda gross... I just couldnt get it all clean before they judged it... I thought the previous owner had everything black powder coated... then I took some simple green to an oilspot and found out otherwise, been tryin for months to get that gunk off there

Interior: Doors and whatnot was a 3, and I agree... it is a 94 that has been less than well taken care of by the previous owner. The rear got a little bit better, thankfully... maybe cause it didnt have two fat guys sweating on it for 300 miles between when it got cleaned and when it got judged

Aft quarter panels, back glass... 4.5 avg for brand new paint, brand new moldings... brand new body. wheel wells, frame and tailpipe... I can understand the deductions. Hey, atleast they gave me a 5 on my rear quarter scripts... The guy who spent 4 hours measuring and putting them on perfectly thanks ya =)

and last but not least, trunk interior/exterior. Condition of paint... freakin 3.5?! what the hell... its brand new fresh paint with new emblems and new spoiler... but my other paint marks are 4.5-5. and what about liscence plate area... I had brand new mountings on there and all I got was a 3 =/. This one really throws me... my trunk carpet got a 4.5, with two burn holes in it, and I didnt even bother to sweep the trunk let alone detail it. Spare tire/cover was crappy, and the score shows it.

I am by no means looking to flame on the judges, I am simply looking for help on what needs to be done to correct my problems... tips and tricks so to speak, especially on the brand new sections of the car.
 
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You have 3 or 4 guys in your new local club who are "detailing" experts who have a LOT of experience prepping cars for car shows (and winning trophies).

Attention (extreme) to detail is the key here. The folks who win tend to be a little fanatical about this (toothbrushes, Q-tips, etc.) Cleanliness is what will win those trophies. Example: The license plate score includes the area BEHIND the license plate, which is an area that many people never touch - yet some people detail to the point you could eat off of it.

Ask and look around at one of our IndipalaSS events and you'll get a lot of good advice.
 
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I'm still trying to figure out how my INTERIOR door panels could be rusty! Last time I checked, they were plastic and cloth. :rolleyes:
 
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Ehehe, Ill have to get with Chino at super chevy if I see him =)

Again, It was not intended that it be harsh towards the judges. I believe they were all volunteers, and for that I am thankful that they even were there.

I just thought it rather funny how things that I spent a lot of effort on, got bad scores and things that I spend no time on what so ever got decent to good scores =P
 
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At least you got your score sheets. Mine seem to have disappeared :confused:
Hello Jeff or anybody at GRAIL.
Where are they?????
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fastfred:
Hello Jeff or anybody at GRAIL.
Where are they?????
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I'm still waiting for last weeks email to be responded to!!
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Karen:
I'm still trying to figure out how my INTERIOR door panels could be rusty! Last time I checked, they were plastic and cloth. :rolleyes:<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must have those super-duper rare rust prone door panels which are rumored to be installed on only 1 SS in the country.
 
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Having been a Car Show Judge and also having competed for trophies, I can tell you that virtually all of the doors that I saw had some flaws. They may have looked pristine in the inside with gorgeous attention to detail on the vinyl and carpeted surfaces but fell short on the hinges and latches that showed traces of rust. If you look carefully, and all judges do, you will probably see areas along the seam at the bottom of the door and along the hinges that may be slightly rusty . . those are quick points off and although the rest of the door is perfect that gets you a lower score.

What would really help is, if the day before the car show judging was to take place, a class on detailing and what judges look for (rust on the hinges, rust on the cast iron exhaust manifold that you can see through the exhaust heat shields, dirt on the corners of the package shelf, etc) would be real helpful. I have done that for my local club and it makes a big difference at the very next showing.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Whisperjet:
If you look carefully, and all judges do...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have been a judge -- many times. I also know my car. I cleaned, polished and dressed all of the door hinges, latches, seams, mouldings etc. with a q-tip and I know for a fact that there is no rust there. I also know that the interior door panels are not rusty either.
 
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Thats funny... I know my car got the score it deserved, infact it probably got some "well he seems like a nice guy points"

The engine compartment was nasty, it had been sitting in a bodyshot and had sanding dust all over it. then it was sprayed and baked on... I couldnt get it all off! I mean I was too embarassed to pop the hood in public cause of how gross it was

This on top of when I bought it, I thought that everything on/around the engine had been powder coated black... I saw an oil spot 3 weeks later from where a top-off had let a few drips down the side... I sprayed some stuff on it and after letting it sit for a while I went to wipe it off and took more than I intended... oh man was it gross =/
 
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If someone wants to look long and hard enough they will find flaws on a so called 100 point car.
I've judged plenty and would not ding you for a little door hinge gunk. Hell it's supposed to be lubed.
There are plenty of other areas of the car to concentrate on.
If the difference between 2 cars point wise comes down to the door hinges that judge needs to start over cause he or she missed something :D
Go forbid they find a hair on the floor
 
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I thought I could read the guys mind... I kept thinking he just wanted to say "Hey moron, the idea behind a car show is that the competitors actually CLEAN this sort of stuff...

My engine compartment looked decent the night before but I decided to hose it down again with engine cleaner... the stuff in stlouis put this NASTY film all over the engine, and made all the plastic look all gross and dried out =/
 
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Never use Simple Green on a painted surface unless you want to strip all the wax and film in prep for painting. If you got it on the finder wells, a good wax will bring the shine back.

Tell me about the St Louis water :-| My SS blew a radiator hose at the first I2K and I hurried to a water hose to wash the Dexcool off, BIG mistake. I had to take off all my Billet and use a buffer to get all the water spots off.

Next time you end up in an area like that, find a coin operated car wash that offers a spotless rinse on the dial, makes a big difference. This year, after one of our local members washed his car at the hotel, the rest of us went to the car wash.

As for judging, as long as the same judges judge the entire class, the points they deduct are pretty consistant. Having a strict experienced judge is fine by me, because I know he's going to be strict on everyone in the class.

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Yea, when I wash a car I REALLY prefer just a plain regular hose... heck, you can mostly dry a car with a hose, unlike the mist that gets all over everything.
 
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