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The B-body has a crap, unfinished front frame. Over Cooked Pasta (don't cry) Almost everyone here buys one or more or all of the following...better tires, stiffer springs, bigger sway bars, poly bushings, high end shocks and yes, lots have, even The Pro-Touring F-Body front frame brace. All of these things give only a part of the benefit they would on oh say an F-body like the one that frame brace was designed for because the F-body has a strong and rigid front sub frame. Unlike the B...OK that $6000 custom frame is a dumb expense for a B-body, not cost effective at all and adding all that weight and expense and labor to box and gusset ..."most people here" think that's dumb too. I can see that's not for everyone... BUT Once you bolt on the frame brace (and "some people here" cry about more noise, more harshness, over heating engines" , yeah really!) could it make any less sense than to insist that going to the Shifty's Midnight Muffler Palace and paying $20.00 to have it welded to the frame (Even Shifty isn't going to screw that job up, or set fire to the interior) is NOT cost effective for amortizing the expense of all those High Performance parts already bought but not getting full benefit from?
 

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All perfectly valid points, if perhaps presented with more than ample zealousness where Scot. The equally valid perspective of those scrutinizing the issue with you has been the sizeable increased performance realized from (equally sizeable retail cost of) those neat new aftermarket parts, compared to the likely much lower utility and smaller % performance return seen by welding everything up tight.

I've said it in other threads - crossframe bars, torsion bars, jounce bars and frame gusseting seem like opportunities for best welding. And they are easy enough to leave and sacrifice with the car when discarded.

I've seen where mad scientists have calculated differences between welding and bolted connections. It would be neat using today's crazy software to model the stresses of steering on say a welded v. bolted front frame horn bar.
 

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The equally valid perspective of those scrutinizing the issue with you has been the sizeable increased performance realized from (equally sizeable retail cost of) those neat new aftermarket parts, compared to the likely much lower utility and smaller % performance return seen by welding everything up tight.

But the whole cost here is $20. Like I said I get the $$$ resistance; but twenty dollars? Now that they own + Installed the brace which minus the $20 weld is not working well because it was designed for mounting against the already in place rigid sub frame F. Unwelded the shiny new brace in the B is flexing right along w/the B's open and unconnected frame rails.
 
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