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cwm1Book mark this and stay tuned this is going somewere peoplescwm1

The Saga of our young adventurer and his quest for power all begins with a box.



inside this box was the ultra rare CLear Image Auto
Quad1s moded to Tri-Y by CIA



well loved by there previous keeper these need some attention

now what,
 

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Like any good Dyno tuner we need a compairo and a chart

so lets look at whats on the car now vs these new CIA Quad_TriYs.

Edelbrock 6603 shorties
calimed 1 5/8ths but actually much smaller
and on some tubes necks down to 1.25 on the bends



ports are very small.
too bad I stoped at this dimention on the heads....:(


2.085" collector on the Edlebrocks.
WTF!~ how and the heck did I make 434RWHP NA with this?
 

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The edelbrocks have even more neck down as the hook up pipes are 2"

Were the CIA pipes stay 2.5" through out


They actually fit on the car pretty nice,
Driver


PAX


and to my suprize even fit right up to my custom exhaust that matches the Edlebrock stock cat flange setup.


from the side
 

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Discussion Starter · #5 · (Edited)
This is were things get Dark and Ugly.

See I'm not relly happy with the secondary length or the merge collcetor size and shape.

Thes guys are just too small and short to do any real work.
Something has to change.

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Well my buddy Derek.
heres some pics of DHead in action!

Or Derek Head the "Instigator" as he is Now known,
a good race and good buddy
gives me some advice


So Derek tells me .

Cortez Burned his ships on the shore.
So they would all be forced to overcome the difficulties of living in the new world.

AKA no looking back
 

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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Ok I have to log out for now.
But I'll be back with more photos and fun, soon.

Comments & Discuss!
 

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Discussion Starter · #8 · (Edited)
So you already dyno'd the original headers prior to cutting?
I dynoed the car with the edelbrock shorties and press bent 2.5" system.
I have datalogs and back pressure info.
As well as backup dyno on a DynoJet vs the Dynapack.






I'll see your ultralite 4L60E mod and raise you an invisible driveshaft...
I gutted a broken trans case with a cuttoff wheel and sawzall.
That way I could take the trans in and out by my self to check the drive shaft clearence.

It probalby weights 7 pounds!:D


I painted it white to help amplify reflective light and increase visability.


This works great and if any local Impala members need to barrow it.
It is avaliable for loan in Cali.
 

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Cortez Burned his ships on the shore.
AKA no looking back
so the saga continues

Burning ships


are now just skeletons on the shore line


Once that sawzall hits the collector
the word commitment comes to mind
 

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cutting down the CIA collectors turn out to be a huge amount of work


The CIA headers are stout.
.080 wall thickness.
nice welds almost 100% free of slag on the ID
and very little distortion of the pipe bends


cutting the collector with a cut off wheel and a sawzall
took patience, skill and a bunch of time
trying not to not f-up the primary pipes


after about 25 hours of cutting grinding and sanding
I finally had 8 free primaries that were collector free


and then these little babies arrived



Summit Racing Part NumberFLO-C178238300
Primary Tube Diameter (in)1 7/8 in.
Collector Diameter3.000 in.
Length (in)24.500 in.
Collector TypeSlip-on
Collector MaterialSteel
Collector FinishGray painted
QuantitySold as a pair.

Significantly increase your horsepower and torque.

Flowmaster's Scavenger collectors are designed to be used as retrofits for existing headers or for a custom fabricated set.
These collectors can increase torque and horsepower significantly in certain applications
 

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Way too many hours were spent at the bench.
Cut grind, expand, sand, brush, clean, over and over
eating luch over a header just comes natural at some point


Music and monster fed my veins
and my hands and head felt funny when I took my safety gear off.


hard works makes for progress
this is the preped and sectioned PAX side header


then the star of the show arrives
and is mated to the CIA tri-Yless Quad



It took a person much smarter than I to figure out how to seal the four merging pipes
at the collector
and this was the answer


Several housrs with my good buddy and his Lindey TIG welder
and more than a little polish work later and here is new creation


Yha baby it as big as a truck bed
 

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Discussion Starter · #13 ·
Then the bad news.

Driver side did not fit with the collector.


The CIA primaries were touching my Canton Pan!!!
and all up in my custom oil lines at my distro block to the front of the car.
The Driver sade has to be 100% custom..

$^@#$ % Damm it!~

Now a full custom header is needed on the driver side.

To be continued....
 

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Roger you should go to the Autox with us this upcoming March.

The B-Bodies always fair very well.
 

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Hey Tad, now that you cut up my old headers and I already have spent your money. You can go ahead and send those back:D
Have Erica Campbell hand deliver a check 5x times what I paid for them and you got a deal.

I felt bad cutting them up.
But the sawzall went right thru..
and I felt better.
 

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Driver side had to be reworked.

Step one was to re do 1 & 7
they need to be pushed way back to clear the oil system
the CIA Quads leave so much room from the primaries the the fire wall
you could drive a school buss thru there

I belive this is to make the headers mate the stock cat back flange location

So the header gets cut


then the collector gets located in its home


then it is connect the dots
point A to point B
the old CIA primary tubes were salvage and reworked
Painters tape holds everything in place so nice


from the top it looks like nothing happened
despite moving the pipes back over 8 inches!


here is what #7 looks like moved


This is a ton of work.
And must look easy on the internet.


Heck you can only listen to Bowies Greatest hits Disk#2 and Parliments Greatest Hits by your self only so many times b4 you go nuts.
Special thanks to Shawn aka DeathMobile and his son Stu who came by several times and helped out a ton.
 

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Oh 3 & 5 my new friends you have to go

One questions thier sanity when cutting up perfectly good already custom built race parts
to make different race parts

This used to be something


It took a whole day just to get 3 & 5 in painters tape for this picture.
Stu and Shawn and I spent several hours stairing at the bottom of my ride.


#5 joins the group
and it almost looks like a header now
 

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Discussion Starter · #23 · (Edited)
Building the custom Driver side required a very specific order of operations for the build
I wont bore you with all the details.

While in the car, I use a razor blade to cut a window in the painters tape
this gives me a place to put a tack weld with my MIG
while the tape holds it in place!:Dcwm5;)

These are the sub assembled pipes.



My buddy is a hard core BMW / Porsche fan and has some serious tools.
He really co-managed the design of my exhaust program w/ me as the labor.
Once tacked the sub assembled primaries go to my buddies house for TIG welding.


The sub assemble primies were mated back to the flange and collector in the car
I tacked it all together while in the car with my little MIG.
Then back to The Tay's Hey-ouse for more TIG welding.
Notice the 944 Turbo rear suspension work bench.
All the cool kids weld like this:pcwm5:p



Here it is a totally raw and unrefined tacked together
worlds first LT1 B-Body fully swept back!
1.3/4" long tube full length merge collector long tube.


bunch of argona and a day later
here is the raw & unclean TIGed full header


the lay out Shawn, Stu and I came up with ruleZ!
I can change all 4 driver side plugs from under neath from one location
The area around the oil filter and motor mounts is WIDE OPEN!
The oil system is free of all heat and interfearence!:p
 

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Oh man I love spray paint.

VHT FlameProof Flat Black .. let me count the ways!:pcwm7cwm1


Hook it and paint it.
This is the easy part.


:)
the set!
 

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Discussion Starter · #26 · (Edited)
musical pipes

So the VHT needs to be baked on.
Playing with the torch I discovered how effective the merge is.

Musically the primaries and secondaries are 100% tied together!
The torch has to travel around 5-10 feet per second at best
and would create good suction on the primary paired port!
and even weak vacuum across the secondaires the very diluted non mates.

Now if this happens at such a low volume and flame speed...
OMG the vaccum it would make at 400feet pre second 44ci per exhaust pulse discharge!

check this out @ 1:27 how the flame's fresh air is dependent on its mated pair!
Insane!!!
 

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On the passenger side I was able to get to all of the plugs with straight plug heads. But when I went with the TFS angle plug heads I had to remove the header from the head to get to the number 6 & 8 plugs. Driver side was a lot easier. What heads are you using? Straight or angle?

Also with my stroker motor I have splayed caps, so I had to slightly bend my dip stick tube to get past the bearing cap. So if I put the tube in first, then I had a heck of a time getting the header over the tube. If I put the header on first then I had a heck of a time trying to get my dip stick tube in because of the splayed cap.

I just thought I would give you some heads up (no pun intended) if you run into any issues on the passenger side.
-I have to pry #2 over a touch to get the plug in!!!

-my Billet main cap at the dip stick tube was chamfered by Joe Mejia on assembly because he RuLeZ!
no issues there

-Alum z28 GM heads

:)
 

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Yeah, Stu came home and said, "Dad, we seriously need to jack up the deathmobile and clean under there....Tad's car is ridiculous!" You could eat off the heat shields.

But seriously, anyone who has seen Tad's car will agree that there are so many little details everywhere that you could spend all day finding new stuff. To top it off, the car is actually really clean and doesn't look like the road racer it is until you look deeper.

My main goals are fun, fast , functional stealth!
Joe Watring who I wrenched with for a while turned me on to "clean'.
Thanks Joecwm7

I'm sure something will leak and mess it all up!cwm8

Let me know when it's time to work on Stu's ride.

BTW, PB Blaster FTMFW on cleaning the underside!
 
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