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FACTS about the 2005 ISSCA Nationals

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Ok everyone, I just want to get the ball rolling in a non-confrontational way. This thread is NOT to discuss the Chuck Spera issue, that is on another thread in this section. Chuck Spera / ISSCA Discussion

This is PURELY to discuss the 2005 ISSCA Nationals and the possible venue switch. Here is a post I made on an east coast Impala forum, but it pertains to everyone. I have spoken to Harvey, and I don't think I am posting anything that is not public knowledge. If so, my apologies to ISSCA.

I have been getting a lot of emails and phone calls lately asking if the dates have been nailed down, or if the venue was nailed down. I suppose since LISST is one of the host clubs in the area (along with many others) that people think we know the final decision. We don't, because it hasn't been made yet.

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Here are the choices ISSCA has at this late point:

1. Englishtown July 7-9 2005 but with no road course since E-Town will most likely not finish on time.

2. Move it up the road and have it in the Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania (great road course) and the drag racing piece would be at nearby Island Dragway in NJ. This event would be the following week if it does move, the week after the dates above for Englishtown.

3. Have it at E-Town and have the road race in the Pocono's, with all road racers having to drive 2.5 hours to get to the course.

My personal thoughts:

A. I think E-Town is a much bigger draw than Island Dragway/Pocono's, if only for the name recognition. To most, especially those who don't know a lot about the east coast scene, racing your car at E-Town is like getting to sing at Carnegie Hall or playing baseball at Yankee Stadium. In other words, it has the name recognition and the drawing power to attract a LOT of people. It is a prestigious track and some of the greatest drag racers in history have raced there.

B. As someone who has raced at a lot of tracks on the east coast, E-Town is no longer the best track around. It's still great, but not the best. Island Dragway treated us very nicely TWICE this summer, plus it was prepped very nicely (read: good starting line). Additionally, they will close the track for us, so we have it all to ourselves, which ETown will not do.

C. If I am going to take my family to an event for 3-5 days, it would sure as hell be nicer to take them to the lovely Pocono Mountains (a vaction paradise for years) instead of central NJ. Sorry NJ guys, but this isn't at the Jersey shore.

D. The Pocono's / Island Dragway will be a lot cheaper, probably about $40 per day including taxes.

E. The drive from E-Town to the Pocono's is not that bad, it would be a lovely highway cruise.

That being said, I don't know what the best decision is.

+ On the one hand, Bill the ISSCA Marketing Guy thinks E-Town is the best draw, it will pull in the most people just for name recognition alone.

+ But on the other foot, Bill thinks that for bringing your family somewhere, or even yourself, the Pocono's are 10x better. Plus, Island Dragway, as stated above, treats us VERY WELL. Plus it will be cheaper.

So, what is the best decision? Englishtown for the name recognition (I truly think more will come 'just' to race at E-Town)? Or Pocono's/Island for a better event, nicer vacation, etc?

Let's hear the opinions ladies!!!!!
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Chicago (and Milwaukee too) have several nice venues, but there really needs to be host club that will work with ISSCA. Chicago needs one of those before you'll ever see a national in your home town.

Originally posted by Paul Heeringa:
I say we move it to CHICAGO! :D
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Garry,

I understand the National for 2007 is open for some enterprising club. Sure would be cool to have it in Chicago. Think you and Paul can spark that interest ?? :D

Heck, having it in Chicago would almost guarantee about 500 Impalas. Go for a record!! :D

Gerry-
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Originally posted by Doug Wood:
This board member thought he was doing the right thing by withdrawing the Atlanta proposal to allow the event to he held in the northeast.

I made a mistake.

Doug
Bill,

Just had to post this. Doug put a LOT of work into the GASSIT proposal for Atlanta. I think he has a right to his opinion.
He did say he voted to move it to E-Town, and made that decision based on the information at hand. Most everytime that is all you can do. None of us have 20/20 hindsight, thats all Doug was saying. .... I think.

Doug, you bustin' their chops, or what ? :D

Na...

Looks like to me it could be either an E-Town OR Pocono/Island event. Now whats better than that, two possibilities. Just needs to be locked in, and seems to me what people are saying to you Bill, is the 2nd option sits well with them.

So go get it locked in, or move it.



Your Pal,

Gerry-
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Is it just me, or does Atlanta sound like another 100 degree national event?
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Originally posted by HuSSker:
Is it just me, or does Atlanta sound like another 100 degree national event?
100* isn't a problem.. it's the HUMIDITY!!! And I hear that ATL gets VERY humid.....
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Originally posted by Gerry:

Heck, having it in Chicago would almost guarantee about 500 Impalas. Go for a record!! :D

Gerry-
Well, one and one is two
Six and two is eight
Come on baby don’t ya make me late
Hidehey
Baby don’t you wanna go
Back to that same old place
Sweet home chicago


Great city, Chicago! I wouldn't pass up a chance to get back there!

-dW
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Gerry;

Love you like the old senile father I never had. But you are missing the point of my post.

Dan busted his butt to get the E-Town proposal together. He did a lot of work. There have been a lot of 'misunderstandings' and hurt feelings already over the move from E-Town to Pocono's (which is probable) and the questioning of some peoples agenda's.

We REALLY did not need someone coming in to remind everyone that Atlanta wouldn't have had these problems and might have been a better choice.

Do you really think someone jumping in at this point and saying "Hey, if we stuck with MY plan none of this would be an issue!" is cool?

Well, as the immortal Derrick Coleman once said, "WHOOP-DE-DAMN-DO!" Doug seems like a great guy, he has had a lot of posts over the last few weeks that I liked a lot. But this post served ZERO benefit to the ISSCA community.

Dan feels terrible as it is, because a lot of people don't even realize that E-Town promised him the road course would be ready and now he is getting 'blamed' by certain people.

Doug, I am sure, did a TON of work as well. As you know, I went to ATL for SSHS4 and was impressed with all the hard work and parking lot smokeshows the GASSIT boys did. Top notch!

But at this juncture, throwing a "my place was better than your place" post in the middle of this can do nothing but make Dan and everyone else who picked E-Town feel more shatty about the situation.

My original post was to be a buddy to Dan and to let him know that SOME of us appreciated all the hard work he did and for him not to look at the slight venue change as a defeat. If Doug took it as a slap, I am sorry.

Peace, love, and horsepower,
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"100* isn't a problem.. it's the HUMIDITY!!! "

Yyyyyyyep! Agreed. I left Nebraska for a number of reasons. Humidity was in the top 3!
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Originally posted by Gerry:

I think he has a right to his opinion.

As do we all...

Originally posted by Gerry:

He did say he voted to move it to E-Town, and made that decision based on the information at hand.
No argument there...Certainly if anybody does have a crystal ball they didn't have it with them at the time. Doug, I understand that if it were known that Raceway Park might not be able to deliver what they promised that things might have gone differently. Atlanta definitely has a lot to offer as far as venues but I think it's too soon to say that there's going to be anything to be disappointed about.

-dW
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Originally posted by Big Kahuna:
Well, as the immortal Derrick Coleman once said, "WHOOP-DE-DAMN-DO!" [/QB]
D.C. BABY!!

I loved watching him when he played for the 'cuse!
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Bill...

Buddy... not hot here. :D Just hoping to show that a lot of people have worked to do the 2005 Nationals. The work started late in 2003, when Dan and Doug and I were all together on the board. Please, I'm not senile yet. And last time I checked I wasn't your daddy.... :eek: never been in the Big Apple, you need to INVITE me to come visit!!! Sheez. Who is this Derrick Coleman dude ? He the one with the big block Impala ?


Laugh with me BK!!

GM-
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Gerry;
You know me by now, I don't take too much seriously. 2005 ISSCA NATS will rock at either place, I can guarantee that!
Bill
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I posted in response to the "beat out Atlanta" statement. That was an untrue statement and not fair to those that worked very hard to put it together. It was in defense of their work, not mine. You might think about 'them' in similar fashion as to how you feel about Dan, his team, and their work effort.

I was setting the record straight - sorry if this is 'offensive' to some. If this is fuel to the fire there is nothing I can do about that. If it has a negative flavor against Dan or anyone else that's not my fault.

To much has been posted due to assumptions and untrue statements. I have no problem with people posting their opinions, but let's do so based on the truth. And the truth is I withdrew Atlanta, and voted in favor of Etown based on the presentation.

Doug Wood
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Originally posted by Doug Wood:
"beat out Atlanta"
If E-Town was picked over Atlanta, in any way shape or form, whether or not you withdrew your proposal, then it did in fact BEAT OUT Atlanta.

BEAT OUT!

WON!

WAS CHOSEN!

WAS PICKED!

WAS THE WINNER!

CAME OUT ON TOP!


If you actually read between the lines, you would have seen my post was more intended to pick up Dan's hurt feelings, not diss Atlanta. But whatever.

Oh, and for the 3rd time, you didn't answer my question. Did you think your post was a good thing? A positive contribution to the thread and all the tension in ISSCA-land right now? A wise choice? Or was it the person who's feelings got hurt that all your hard work on the proposal wasn't properly recognized.

Hey wait! Look, on the floor over there, it's another hair that needs splitting! Someone jump on it quick!
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Originally posted by Big Kahuna:
Hey wait! Look, on the floor over there, it's another hair that needs splitting! Someone jump on it quick!
I'm your man! Now which way did that hair go. :D

Mav
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Hey, I can split hairs too!!!

Man, you guys are starting to sound like that freaking Hamilton character!!! Ooooooh, thats not good.
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My vote is for the venue that has the Road Course. Having been the first event to introduce the Road Course and seeing everyone grinning ear-to-ear, I believe that this group almost values the road course event over all the others. No offense to any of the other events. :D

On an unrelated topic, I noticed the encouragement to plan an event in Chicago for 2007. I thought I read somewhere that 2006 would be in Indianapolis. Was there a call for 2006 venue presentation proposals that I missed? :confused:

I think the GRAILers were considering offering an event at Gateway again. If I missed the call for proposals, then my bad. If there was no call for proposals, how come??

Just wondering.
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Carla,

Ah... just posting what I've heard. Since I 'think' I've heard that 2006 may be in Indy, not sure though. Could that leave 2006 or 2007 up to YOU! :D I don't know anymore than you do, but whatever the case is, each year its up to individuals and their clubs to put it together.

Chicago would be an absolutely GREAT place to have ANY national though. Although St. Louey would be awesome anytime...

BTW, I think Bill is doing a great job here of seeking the pulse for 2005. A TON of work has gone into just getting the 2005 Nationals to roll out the red carpet for ISSCA members, and make it look like no sweat was involved. I guess the cats outta the bag, but the bottom line here is in 2005 the host clubs are deadly serious. VERY comforting regardless of WHO that actually is. Thats the entire point.

ISSCA members salute you, and know its hard. And I'll give you input to the final product anytime you folks ask for it. Isnt' that the intent of this thread ?

Gerry-
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Originally posted by GRAIL Girl:
Having been the first event to introduce the Road Course and seeing everyone grinning ear-to-ear
Carla, can't we consider MISSL's Dreamapolozza 2002 the first event with a road course ???
Maybe I'm stretching the definition of national, but I don't remember another road course before we all hit Detroit.

:D

GM-
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Gerry,

I think the I2K was the first "National" Caliber event that ahd the format that ISSCA adopted for their use.

Doug,

You so vehemently supported ISSCA in the Spera Chronicles and now you do a quick 180 and diss it when it comes to the 2005 Nats. What's the deal?
It does "appear" on the surface as sour grapes.

All,

The issues with the 05 Nats, in my opionion, are directly related to the issues facing ISSCA in general.
1) lack of communication.
2) Inability to delegate decision making
3) Poor planning and execution
4) Inability to say, oops we f-ed up.
5) Champagne dreams on a beer budget
6) loss of focus as to what started the club.
7) membership apathy due to all or part of above.
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