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Well, with fast_ss1's help I threw mine in today.

Still need to AutoX on them to be sure, but so far I'm impressed! On "6", they are about as stiff as the Koni shocks were on "full firm" in front and "4/5 firm" in back (with 30K miles). Since I like that amount of stiffness on the street, I'll leave them there.

On "12", they are REAL freaking stiff :D. It's not quite like putting steel bars in place of the shocks, but it feels a bit like it :D :D

Didn't try the "soft" settings yet....

I definitely like the adjustability of them (like the Konis) and how EASY it is to adjust them (very UNlike the Konis!). Can adjust all 4 shocks in about 3 minutes!

I have an AutoX next Sunday at Candlestick....a VERY bumpy asphalt lot (gee, build a parking lot that is on LANDFILL in an earthquake prone area.....yep, it's gonna settle a bit
). Put it this way : course designers on that lot have to carefully plan things to avoid getting cars AIRBORN! For that lot, I'll probably try 7-8 or so on the shocks and see what happens. On smoother lots, I'm guessing that even stiffer will work better.
 
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Argh! Your really making me want to get a set of these shocks (don't really need em, but sure do want em). Can't wait to hear how ya like em for auto X'in, sounds like they are gunna work great!
 
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Way to go Ed, you're gonna love them. If you recall (or rather in case you don't) I autocrossed at Arlington with mine set at 10 in front and 8 in back. In the rain a couple of weekends ago I went with 8 all around. Actually I forgot to set my shocks for the first run (I run them at 5 all around on the street) but I still did pretty well. :D Shaved a full two seconds off my time when I set the shocks right and got a little more aggressive.


We'll have to compare other notes in Austin. Are you going to have the chance to autocross your car before then?
 
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hey Ed,

With the front HALs set on 8, no sway bar, and 275/40-17s at 32psi, my car handles as well as it did totally stock.

In fact yesterday I had to do a VERY QUICK countersteer maneuver to avoid a car pulling out, and I was extremely surprised at how well she reacted.

Gotta love those HALs :D

PS: on the softest setting, 0, you can push the front end down with no problems! Just need to takes curves a bit slowly
 
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This is great news since my Hal's should be at my front door very soon. I can't wait!!!!

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>We'll have to compare other notes in Austin. Are you going to have the chance to autocross your car before then?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, if things go right I'll be AutoXing the SS this Sunday (April 7th) at Candlestick. For the April 14th event, not sure if I'll end up in the SS or WRX.

If you start doing AutoX more Vader, you need to go grab a "junk" set of stock rims and throw some Kumhos (or the like) on them. You'll be shocked at the difference....

SSMOKEM : with 750 lb/in front springs, it wouldn't be easy to push down on them with NO shocks :D. However, it would sure make it a lot less damped (bouncy). Next time I get to the dragstrip, I'll have to dial down the front shocks to 2 or 3 and see if I can at least make SOME weight transfer happen....
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>If you start doing AutoX more Vader, you need to go grab a "junk" set of stock rims and throw some Kumhos (or the like) on them. You'll be shocked at the difference....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's a full set of spare rimSS in my shop that I've been debating what to do with. I may get them powdercoated (not black
) and get some racing tires. My biggest problem, besides the $$$, is that I have no way to transport them to events except the Impala. Even if I take out the spare I don't know if all four would fit in the trunk, so some would have to go into the back seat. For local events (which there are few of) that's no big deal, but driving across the country with them I wouldn't have room for anything or anyone else.

What do you do with your racing tires for long trips Ed? I know that you brought them last year to Arlington and raced them on Tully's car. Did you bring them in his Impala? Other trips, tips, or tricks you'd care to share?
 
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Glad to hear that those shocks work so well. I'd love to get a set on my car, since it's clear that I need some more suspension compliance to hook up at the strip, and changing settings on the Konis is a huge PITA (as was mentioned). They're now offically on the "wish" list :D
 
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Has anyone tried Carrera shocks? They offer a gas adjustable steel shock for about $112. retail ( adjus. w/ allen wrench on car, Can't be as easy as the Hals) Some round track racers I know use Carreras. They have a rep that travels to some of the SCCA races we go to so I may get some extra service from them in that respect. They are in Atlanta area so that's close for shipping or a 3 hour drive over. But, I've only heard good things about the Hals & they look real good. The cost difference is not that big of a deal, just looking for easier or extra service if needed. Since Ed the King runs Hals now, it's probably foolish not to follow his lead. I'm just trying to out solo the mustangs & stay in F-stock. Me thinks I should buy the race tires first, then the shocks later. What have you other solo'ers done or tried?! Good Luck Ed. Keep us posted
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I think I've got the ones in the ShockWaves on my wagon set at 9. Nice and stiff. It'd be interesting to see how well it'd Autocross with some HAL's on the back.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>What do you do with your racing tires for long trips Ed? I know that you brought them last year to Arlington and raced them on Tully's car. Did you bring them in his Impala? Other trips, tips, or tricks you'd care to share?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, several ways...

For Detroit last year, I caravaned with Tully. We took the spare OUT of my car, just having the one spare in Tully's car between us. And we needed it (on his car), so glad we had one


With the spare out, you can fit THREE 275/40 (or 315/35) tires (25.7" diameter) in the trunk WITH the SSCA Trunk kit (side panels, hinge covers, etc). You CANNOT get 3 STOCK SS or 9C1 tires (27.0" or 28.0" diameter respectively) in there though. Yep, it's that close!

So, we had 3 of the 4 race tires in my trunk, the 4th race tire in Tully's trunk (with the spare), and the tools/luggage/etc all packed around whatever was in the trunk and in the back seat etc.

For Arlington, they trailered Tully's car behind Mike L's Excursion. So, just threw the tires in the trailer


Otherwise, I either throw the tires in the car (2 in trunk, 2 stacked on back seat) OR I have that tire/tool trailer that I built. It tows comfortably at 75 MPH, although the car/trailer speed limit in CA is a snail-like 55 MPH :(.....CHP MIGHT let you get away with 60-62 MPH, but that's about it.





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Yet Another

The Trailer cost me about $500 to build, and half of that was the (overpriced but REALLY shiny and nice
) aluminum truck box on the back. The trailer itself is from Harbor Freight, and cost about $200 to my door (it was SHIPPED, unassembled, to me!).

Only caveat is with the trailer, DO NOT back up! I have the gouge in the fiberglass bumper to prove it :(. Yes, I am on the list for the urethane smoothies :D
 
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My "wish" list is getting longer. Arrrggghhh!!!
I have a lifetime warranty on the Sensatracs. All 4 cost less than 1 HAL...
But I can't see spending anymore money on shocks unless they are HALs.

My next big purchase is a Harley.
My next big purchase is a Harley.
My next big purchase is a Harley.

Maniacle laugh!
 
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I put the fronts on today at school during the lunch hour. It took a little over an hour, but I tried it the hard way first (using a shock socket and and wrench.) When I broke the end off one of my 104k mile stock shocks my teacher said, Why don't you use the impact? :rolleyes: Fifteen minutes later I was finished :D

I put the fronts on the softest and it rides really nice. (Of course I have gotten used to my 91 with the FE1 "SOFT RIDE" springs and no rear swaybar.) Over bumps it's like, bump BUMP (front wheels hit then backs.) I've got the F-body front/HO rear swaybar setup.

My next class was starting so I didn't have time to do the rears :( I'll get to them either tomorrow or thursday. My final in the morning class is in the morning, so if I finish it in time, I might have a chance to do the rears.
 
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Ed,

I am currently running my QA1's on 6 all around. I haven't played with other settings, but I'm looking forward to your observations.

I have an autocross this Sunday the 7th. Small and tight course usually at this location. Let y'all know how it works.
 
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ARG! I put the rears on today. For such EXPENSIVE shocks, I wuld have EXPECTED them to come with bolts to attach the shock to the rear axle :mad: I had to get a ride to a local parts place to pick up some 1/4x3" Grade 8 bolts and some washers and nuts. Then when I try to attach them at the top, the bolts won't line up. Plus, the bolts they send are larger than the holes in the frame. All in all it took me by myself with the trip to two stores a few hours just for the rears. Of course this was the first time I've done rear shocks on these cars.

I must say that they are easy to adjust and after a while, I should get the right setting for me
 
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I reused the stock nuts/bolts on the upper mounts for the rears (as well as the similarly designed front lower) mounts. Before doing this, I checked to make sure there was sufficient/full thread engagement with the stock hardware (there is) since the mounting flanges are a LOT thicker on the HALs than on the Konis I was removing (or stock shocks, for that matter).

And yes, I agree it IS cheesy that $500 shocks did NOT include a bolt for the lower rear mount. A trip to the hardware store for some Grade 8 bolts/nuts, hardened washers, and lockwashers (total investment : about $5) took care of it, but still an unnecessary PITA on that one.
 
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So that others (read me) may learn from your experience, can you post the sizes for the hardware you had to buy? I just got mine and I've never done the shocks on this car before. Thanks.
 
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I just ordered my custom Afco's today!! Getting rid of the HALS, they've been good but better is well.....Better!


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I was a wee bit upset like the rest over the lack of lower mounting hardware. I bought a 5" grade 5 bolt, soon to be replaced by a grade 8 3" one. 5" is way too long, not that it interferes w/ anything, just plain ugly.

I used the new upper rear bolts and nuts, but reused the stock lower front bolts.

So far so good......
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>can you post the sizes for the hardware you had to buy? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here is what I bought:<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>1/2" x 3" long Grade 8 Bolts, QTY 2<LI>1/2" fine thread Grade 8 nuts, QTY 2<LI>1/2" hardened washers, a small bag of them (used 6 per side : 1 one the front side of the shock, 4 between the shock and the bracket....to maintain similar geometry to stock, and 1 on the other side of the bracket towards the back of the car)<LI>1/2" lock washers, QTY 2 (goes between the washer and nut, on the backside of the bracket on the axle)[/list]
 
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