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And preferably a new frame, I don't really want anything else. Just last winter my upper spring perch on the driver's side cracked, I'm just about positive it was due to a seized or barely moving shock. When I was changing the shocks after I got the car the passenger side one was fine but on the driver's side the bolt holes in the spring perch were all chewed up and the perch was actually bent to the point where I couldn't get a wrench on the top of the bolt. So my dumbass didn't really think anything of it and took it to a shop and paid them to take the shock out and put the new one in. When they were done the mechanic came out and showed me the old shock and how he could barely move it at all by putting one end on the floor and pushing down on it as hard as he could. I tried it and the same thing happened. Needless to say not long after the spring perch cracked, and I had it fixed with a supposedly "grafted in" spring perch. Everything has been good until today I was coming home from work and hit a pretty bad pothole and heard a terrible sound. I knew right there what it was. I took it back to the shop and got the bad news. It broke again of course. :mad:
:rolleyes: I've done some searching on frame swaps and it seems like quite a job. Anyone else ever done this? Is it even worth it?

An LT1 Monte, Malibu, or S10 is starting to sound pretty good right about now though...
 
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i would find a respectable welder first..it sounds to me that you had a everyday shop weld it in..go to someone who can weld in my opinion
 
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I agree on trying again with someone really skilled with welding. Replacing a frame on a 9C1 is really just not worth it at all unless the car is ridiculously clean (ie wasn't actually a cop car for very long at all).
 
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Originally posted by 94CapriceSS:
i would find a respectable welder first..it sounds to me that you had a everyday shop weld it in..go to someone who can weld in my opinion
EXACTLY what I thought! I learned in aircraft maintenance school that a proper weld is just as strong as the metal it is welding. Plain and simple, if its done right, it's for good. Dipsh1t at the shop didn't seem able enough to comprehend this so I didn't even bother arguing. Just another prick who sees a kid as a sucker. The more I think about this the more it infuriates me. $750 and nothing they can do? I ****ing missed 4 school loan payments to pay these incompetent lackeys to do a job that I expected to be done right and the ********** wanted to try to sell me a car he had in the shop! A 2001 impala at that!!! That right there showed me how much of a moron he thought I was! I learned at a young age you don't buy a car from a shop. Why? BECAUSE THE REPAIRS WERE SO EXPENSIVE THE OWNER SAID **** IT!!! YOU CAN HAVE IT!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
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They charged you $750 to "graft" that back in??? Damn!! that's a bunch of BS. That shouldnt be an overly difficult repair for a good welder/fabricator to do and it should not cost anywhere near that.
 
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I did a frame swap on my SS....it's not a hard task...but really labor intensive and time consuming.....keep in mind to do a frame swap means, pulling the drive train, suspension, control arms, ect, ect to tranfer to the new frame.....

I would agree with these guys, find a new welder...sounds like the graphted peice wasn't welded to well from the word go. I would try to get a refund.....thats BS you had to pay TOP dollar to get the job done half a$$ed! Find someone with lots of welding expirence, and weld a new piece in there. Good Luck man.
 
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Your story makes my blood boil. I hate people that are supposedly in skilled professions, that really should be scaling fish.

About 20 years ago I had a similar senario with a '77 Town Car. But I was lucky enough, to have brought it to an established fabricator/welder.
Charged me $250, which at the time, I thought was a rip. Never had any more trouble with it.

In your case, I would try taking this fish scaler to Small Claims Court. I hope you've got receipt or canceled checks.

Ask around for a competent faber/welder in your area, maybe botch job can be salvaged? Tell them you're paying your way through school, was humped on last job, and belong to a car club[potential recommendations]. Maybe they'll moderate on $$$?
Sorry about that story. Good luck.
 
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Find yourself a certified welder in your area to repair your frame. THEN...contact your better business bureau, chamber of commerce, small claims court, whatever. Fry their ass. Hopefully you still have documentation to assist you in resolving this. Good luck! D.
 
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chevy4life,
If you can locate the same piece from an accessible car [wrecked car] maybe you could just splice it onto your car with fasteners [not welds] like as in sandwhich the material together... The upper spring & shock area is hard to see, reach & work... I think it might challenge the best workers & welders..?
Respectfully & good luck--George
 
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A side note to all of this -- I have heard of people suing the city when their car suffers damage due to poorly maintained roads. It's always an option to help you cover the repair cost.
 
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I appreciate the suggestions everyone. I REALLY want to take this guy to small claims court or something because that was a lot of money that could go to better things and it should have been done right the first time. When it happened I really didn't expect it to cost that much. I went to 5 different shops in my are and this was the least expensive estimate, and that was what I was charged. I asked the guy if it was going to hold for good or if there was a possibility it would break again and he said it would be fine. They didn't give any type of warranty of course. I don't even know if contacting the BBB would do much or if small claims court would be worth it. If any one in the Livonia area of Michigan wants to know the shops name give me a PM if you want to know what shop it was.

I would really like to find a much better welder to fix it but I have the fear that it could happen again, and like XBOXROX said its in a difficult are to work in to fix.

Raxstone- I wouldn't doubt at all that the roads are a part of this but I don't think it would fly in MIchigan, but thanks anyways.

Does anyone think I should go back to the shop and get a little serious with the owner? I'm pretty sure he could tell that I wa upset the first time but I have the feeling that he thought I was a dip**** and that he was at no fault at all. I don't know if that would do any good.

But about putting a new frame in, I understand what it would take, but it would be a good learning experience and a good chance to change a lot of parts that are more difficult with the body on the frame. I have a friend with a good size garage I can work in with an engine hoist, the only thing I would have to figure out is the best way to lift the body off of the frame without a lift.

Thanks guys
 
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Makes me wonder how much it would cost to have a frame powder coated or even chromed. :D

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I had small claim court experience which I had dispute with a transmission shop back to 5 years ago. To win the case, you need bring your mechanic as witness/expert testimony which will gain your chance to win the case. In most individual against auto garage case, individual will be paid sympathy by jour and judge.

For your case, the key argument is that the money ($750) you paid for reliable job and warranty.

Good luck and keep updating your story.

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Well I've changed my mind about a frame swap, considering getting it fixed by a better shop or buying a new one. Found a clean as hell 95 with low miles, only problem, and not a big one is that its a 4.3. Thinking about swapping engines but I need to research a little bit on that.
 
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Yesterday I had the car looked at by a few shops and saw what happened for myself since it broke again. The upper shock mount is destroyed, as in broken away from the spring perch. Has anyone ever relocated the upper rear shock mounts? There doesn't seem to be much room but I don't know if it would be too wise to work with the metal on the spring perch. Any other suggestions?
 
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Another update, I took my car to a true first-class in my opinion suspension shop and the repair, and a MUCH BETTER repair was done for $100. They welded a thick, maybe 1/4 inch steel plate on to the shock mount and cut the holes for the shock mounts and the top part of the shock and put the shock on. They assured me that they over do their repairs and that if it did break again they would fix it even better again. So I didn't need a new car or frame after all, I just need to know the right shop to go to,
 
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All I Can Say is "Michigan Road Salt". Had this this same thing happen to a 75 Camaro I Had. Right rear shock tower Shock mounts Broke thru due to rust thru from the road salt. Had the area sandblasted, and a new piece of metal welded in....Fixed! Chevy4Life, Lived in Westland, Mich where they love to Dump plenty of road salt in the Winter and fix the roads once a year! Man, I Dont miss those Potholes AT ALL!
 
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putting a factory erch will not work even with a great weld...have u ever looked at it.... its suspended and built into the frame for support... I had mine wleded in professional after a crack and was a losing battle.... I ened up putting in a c-channel which is much more hevay duty with that type of welding... If u do use a factory perch again I would add some steel around it for boxing and support....
 
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