Name the 2006 ISSCA National Convention of Membership in Indiana July 3 – 7, 2006.

Originally posted by HighwaySS:
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This ain't the ISSCA forum, it's the Impala SS Forum so

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Check the top you’ll see it is the Impala SS Club of America, ISSCA News section I am the moderator, this is the ISSCA fourm.


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am i just stupid or is this statement a direct contradiction of the point being made about this forum at mountain madness?

the major issue here is the folks on the board have to defend and support this date/locacation simply because they're the ones who were responsible for only looking at one proposal. i don't think they can apologize , change or back down on that position without totally losing face.

i've been as vocal as any but as it's being explained there is no alternative THIS year. i'll either be able to attend or choose for whatever reason not to. i just hope all the chartered clubs are putting packages together as we speak for '07, and that everyone will be considered in future planning.
rock on, rus

Mike, I guess you just gotta have the limelight and continue to post your provocative insults instead of trying to get your satisfaction by communicating directly with those that represent and volunteer for you to run ISSCA. None of us are hiding. AND you continue to ridicule the hardworking folks of IndipalaSS with your degrading, immature and insulting references to the name of their event. IMHO, VERY poor form. How is this gonna solve anything, anyway?

Do I think your post should have been deleted? No.
Was I insulted by your post? Yes.
Was it worth reading? No.

Post away, bro. We all got our opinions. And I believe everyone should have their say. Unfortunately, some just don't know how to express theirs without insulting other people.

Rus, you may be correct. I don't know. All I can say as a "Johnny-come-lately" to this whole national club thing is from what I've seen so far things have changed for the better. Fast enough? No. But progress is being made? Yes. Those that hang and work together will help to perpetuate a national club.

Communication and problem solving is the answer. Identify the problem.
Discuss potential solutions.
Conference to integrate ideas into final solution.
Majority chooses a solution.
Implement solution.
Get ready to deal with next problem.

Mike, Rus, Bill, I personally appreciate your enthusiasm. If we can keep a 10 year old GM product on the road and have it survive the abuse we put them thru, we can work thru this. Dontcha think?

Ok I'm out of the loop here. Nither of my B-Bodies work and when I cant afford to fix them, I dont need to read the forum and check the GP section like I always do.

Let me get this straight

ISSCA dumped nats on top of several other major Impala events?

I've been screaming for an Indy SS event since 2k2 but I didnt think a group of grown men and women could screw up something like this.

Did you really plan putnam and IRP in the same weekend?

Did anyone think that its a good 40 minute drive to Putnam Park from IRP?

Not to mention the fact that IRP has its own road course?

If I remember I2K2, and I do... drags were one day and racing was another. So there you go, run the road course, set and prep the track for racing the next day.

Glad to see my dues hard at work...

Karl;

I fully understand and try to support ISSCA like you do. I also see the need for a national club and I like having a national club. I want it to succeed like you do.

Unfortunately, what Kenny said is pretty much the general attitude, that ISSCA should be supporting the local clubs and "what has ISSCA done for me?" I agree with that statement as long as people also say "What can I do for ISSCA?" Unless perceptions and attitudes towards ISSCA change, this will always be the case and it will always hurt ISSCA membership and participation.

We keep SAYING we want to change this and grow the club, but I don't think anyone can put their finger on what has been holding ISSCA back.

We all know the facts. With the Impala SS Forum and NAISSO forums around, ISSCA can provide very little to your Impala experience in terms of getting technical info, finding parts, etc etc since most can get that info elsewhere.

So where does ISSCA provide the benefit and the incentive to join? The SScene is a great mag and to me, that's worth the $40 ISSCA membership a year alone, to see everyone's nice rides from all over the country. The National Event is the other great thing that ISSCA provides for us. The ISSCA Nats are another stand alone reason to be a member.

But here is where I think we have some disconnect...

It SEEMS that a very small amount of people make the actual decisions. And to a point, I certainly understand that because you can't have 20 people (BOD) deciding on every little item. You need to trust in your leaders and let them run things.

But I think when there are big decisions to be made, ISSCA has either made some poor choices or just not been lucky, and I think if they used the BOD more in the decision making process some of these issues could be avoided. Such as having the BOD approve INDY but not consulting with the BOD about the actual dates.

LISST knows that ISSCA didn't purposely go out to step on our Drag Day. The point I was trying to make is that ISSCA didn't even KNOW they were stepping on us. And that's the part that made LISST so mad. How can ISSCA not know when all the "big" Impala events are.

Bottom line is this... If we want ISSCA to succeed, we have to love it in spite of all it's warts. I understand that. A National Club is hard to run especially since us 91-96ers seem to be adamant about keeping the club to just our cars.

And maybe it's just a run of bad luck, some unavoidable decisions or conflicts made ISSCA look bad, or whatever. But we need to keep pressing forward and figure this thing out.

BTW Karl, remember this. Don't get too bent when Mike 454 or Fast SS or whoever (me) vents a little here. The proposed names are a bit sarcastic and rude, but this is the ISSCA section for ISSCA members. I don't really think anyone who was thinking of joining ISSCA won't now join because of a little forum spat. People are either "joiners" or "lurkers" and their decisions were probably made long ago.

So if this is where we (ISSCA members) sort of duke it out a little or vent, then this is where it has to happen. The people posting (both positively and negatively) are already ISSCA members, and none of them said they were quitting ISSCA over this, so I think it's just frustration and disappointment showing through.

It will be ok, we just have to figure out what's broken and where the disconnect is.

Thank you for your time.

Well said BK, well said...

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(And you too, Kenny)

Originally posted by dld9c1:
Responses like this drive me crazy as well. I personally don't have the time and resources available to be involved in the decision making level of this organization so I try to support those that do instead of bitchin' about the decisions that are made. If this makes me a sheep so be it. Until all of this came up I had no idea of when the LISST drag day occurred and I have been on this board from early on. Do you think that everyone involved in this decision knew when it was? I can guarantee one thing though if the date is changed there will be others that won't be able to make it....that is just a fact of life. You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

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Darryl,

Good post. You only missed the point by a million miles. It's people like you who take a great club like LISST and tell us "too bad, not everyone is going to like the dates" and that's exactly what pisses people off. You are also a little late to the dance.

Yes, we know no one will be happy with all the dates. I got off my ass and was involved and was LISST President for 2 years. 95 members, very active club, 7 meetings every year, a holiday party, numerous car shows, numerous cruises, mod days, drag days, etc etc. www.lisst.com We are well aware that any date creates conflicts. Sometimes we can't even get attendence at our own events from all LISST officers because of conflicts. Thanks for pointing that out.

However, I think it's ISSCA's job or responsibility to know when their chartered clubs are having their main events. Especially when there are so few true "big" Impala events a year. It's not like there are 35 Impala events every year and we have to balance our schedules on the head of a pin. Plus, LISST Drag Day has been on the 2nd Saturday of July for a few years in a row now. What are there, MAYBE 5-7 big Impala events every year?

1. ISSCA Nats - June or July
2. Impalafest - 1st week of October
3. LISST Drag Day - 2nd Sat in July
4. SSHS - 1st Sat November
5. GM Nats Carlisle - 3rd week June (used to be Fathers Day)
6. Your event here
7. GRAIL or MISSL something something?

and...

(my apologies to anyone's big event I missed, but you get the point)

Oh yeah, and let's not forget how ISSCA scheduling so close to LISST hurts LISST attendance too. Our event is for charity and for needy kids and their families. Our attendance was down 20% this year (and also down for the first time after 7 years of growth). Not everyone is superman like Karl and Nab and can or will drive 14 hours Friday to make both events. This will hurt LISST attendance again 2 years in a row, people just can't make both events.

BTW, I see you say "Do you think that everyone involved in this decision knew when it [LISST Day] was?" Hahaha. It was THREE people who decided the date. The ISSCA BOD (Board of Directors) voted YES on Indy but never heard anything else about the dates. They didn't pick the dates. As far as I know, the ISSCA Executive committee picked the dates. Bill, Jay, and Rick. Again, I could be wrong, and no one is blaming anyone. What's done is done. ISSCA backed themselves into a corner by deciding on Indy because then the choice of dates was severely limited. We live and we learn. But please stop telling us to quit complaining because when people stop sticking up for themselves, that's when they get an even bigger pile of crap shoved down their throats the next time.

Sorry for being such a prick, but it's EXACTLY that response that pissed us east coasters off to start with.