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.....You state that our founding fathers limited the vote to keep power in the hands of people "like themselves".

If by that you mean that they wanted to keep power in the hands of those with "skin in the game" I would agree.

But that's not what you mean, is it?........
LOL......OK. So if you were non-white, or a woman, or was not a land-owner then you didn't have "skin in the game"? Is that what you're saying? Because it was people in those categories that didn't get the right to a vote. Mmmmm....that's interesting.


.......Our forefathers were intelligent enough to understand the eventual result of "mob rule"......
I always manage a good chuckle when somebody throws out the "mob rule" justification. We obviously come from different worlds because I don't see a true democracy as a "mob rule" situation.

In my view, every person has as much right to provide input (a vote) into who runs/manages our government as anyone else. Apparently, in your world, only white, male land owners should have that right. And I guess, everyone else has to live by the rules they decide to make.....take the path that they decide to take....live the type of lives that the 'voting few' decides they should live.

Sounds a lot like living in Russia, to me......'you got papers, comrade?'

......You stated that my comments regarding who put in vs who takes out, estate taxes, etc. were "out of left field" and not related to the conversation. I think they go to the root of it.......
OK....so lets get to that root. I believe you asked about inheritance taxes. I'm good with a tax on inheritance.....not good on a 100% tax which it seemed you had asked about.....but I have no issue with it, myself.

Now get to work.....work hard.....and pay them taxes. The government doesn't run on rain water, ya know!

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He who pays the Piper...

KW Baraka;11889569 In my view said:
The analog would be your household budget should be spent by the folks next door. No, of course not, they are not citizens of your house hold. True...but...All citizens of one country should decide about that country's budget? Such was the question starting in 1776 and answered a few years later. Sadly for those Founding Fathers, they had 2200 years of history to show the dangers of that answer. I know you are offended by the answer your FF settled on but isn't it possible that there is a better answer than your current system?
 

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I'll try a different approach...

"In my view, every person has as much right to provide input (a vote) into who runs/manages our government as anyone else."

The minimum competency in reading required to be a soldier was first tested during WWI. At the start of WWII millions of men showed up at registration offices to take low-level academic tests before being inducted. The years of maximum mobilization were 1942 to 1944; the fighting force had been mostly schooled in the 1930s, both those inducted and those turned away. Of the 18 million men who were tested, 17,280,000 of them were judged to have the minimum competence in reading required to be a soldier, a 96 percent literacy rate. Although this was a 2 percent fall-off from the 98 percent rate among voluntary military applicants ten years earlier, the dip was so small it didn’t worry anybody.

WWII was over in 1945. Six years later another war began in Korea. Several million men were tested for military service but this time 600,000 were rejected. Literacy in the draft pool had dropped to 81 percent, even though all that was needed to classify a soldier as literate was fourth-grade reading proficiency. In the few short years from the beginning of WWII to Korea, a terrifying problem of adult illiteracy had appeared. The Korean War group received most of its schooling in the 1940s, and it had more years in school with more professionally trained personnel and more scientifically selected textbooks than the WWII men, yet it could not read, write, count, speak, or think as well as the earlier, less-schooled contingent.

A third American war began in the mid-1960s. By its end in 1973 the number of men found noninductible by reason of inability to read safety instructions, interpret road signs, decipher orders, and so on—in other words, the number found illiterate—had reached 27 percent of the total pool. Vietnam-era young men had been schooled in the 1950s and the 1960s—much better schooled than either of the two earlier groups—but the 4 percent illiteracy of 1941 which had transmuted into the 19 percent illiteracy of 1952 had now had grown into the 27 percent illiteracy of 1970. Not only had the fraction of competent readers dropped to 73 percent but a substantial chunk of even those were only barely adequate; they could not keep abreast of developments by reading a newspaper, they could not read for pleasure, they could not sustain a thought or an argument, they could not write well enough to manage their own affairs without assistance.Today (last data-2014) it is 51% functional illiteracy.

Consider how much more compelling this steady progression of intellectual blindness is when we track it through army admissions tests rather than college admissions scores and standardized reading tests, which inflate apparent proficiency by frequently changing the way the tests are scored.

KW wrote...""In my view, every person has as much right to provide input (a vote) into who runs/manages our government as anyone else."

How's that worked out for you so far?
 

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"In my view, every person has as much right to provide input (a vote) into who runs/manages our government as anyone else."

The minimum competency in reading required to be a soldier was first tested during WWI. At the start of WWII millions of men showed up at registration offices to take low-level academic tests before being inducted. The years of maximum mobilization were 1942 to 1944; the fighting force had been mostly schooled in the 1930s, both those inducted and those turned away. Of the 18 million men who were tested, 17,280,000 of them were judged to have the minimum competence in reading required to be a soldier, a 96 percent literacy rate. Although this was a 2 percent fall-off from the 98 percent rate among voluntary military applicants ten years earlier, the dip was so small it didn’t worry anybody.

WWII was over in 1945. Six years later another war began in Korea. Several million men were tested for military service but this time 600,000 were rejected. Literacy in the draft pool had dropped to 81 percent, even though all that was needed to classify a soldier as literate was fourth-grade reading proficiency. In the few short years from the beginning of WWII to Korea, a terrifying problem of adult illiteracy had appeared. The Korean War group received most of its schooling in the 1940s, and it had more years in school with more professionally trained personnel and more scientifically selected textbooks than the WWII men, yet it could not read, write, count, speak, or think as well as the earlier, less-schooled contingent.

A third American war began in the mid-1960s. By its end in 1973 the number of men found noninductible by reason of inability to read safety instructions, interpret road signs, decipher orders, and so on—in other words, the number found illiterate—had reached 27 percent of the total pool. Vietnam-era young men had been schooled in the 1950s and the 1960s—much better schooled than either of the two earlier groups—but the 4 percent illiteracy of 1941 which had transmuted into the 19 percent illiteracy of 1952 had now had grown into the 27 percent illiteracy of 1970. Not only had the fraction of competent readers dropped to 73 percent but a substantial chunk of even those were only barely adequate; they could not keep abreast of developments by reading a newspaper, they could not read for pleasure, they could not sustain a thought or an argument, they could not write well enough to manage their own affairs without assistance.Today (last data-2014) it is 51% functional illiteracy.

Consider how much more compelling this steady progression of intellectual blindness is when we track it through army admissions tests rather than college admissions scores and standardized reading tests, which inflate apparent proficiency by frequently changing the way the tests are scored.

KW wrote...""In my view, every person has as much right to provide input (a vote) into who runs/manages our government as anyone else."

How's that worked out for you so far?
I agree with you Scot, but when you ask "How's that worked out for you so far?", the answer will depend on the perspective of who you're asking…

So if you're asking someone who's concerned about the fiscal health of the country, the answer would be "Very poorly".
If your asking someone who's only concern is to use the power of the vote to get free stuff, the answer would be "Just fine, thanks!"

So if you want "free stuff" (not really free, taken from others by force, in fact), then you don't care about the intelligence of the voter. Their understanding of the long term effects of their elected politicians decisions are irrelevant, because, they're not concerned about that. They just want STUFF. You can lay your case out in black and white all day, doesn't matter. Only free stuff matters, and consequently, only the number of people voting to get it matters. NOTHING ELSE.

So the next time you see our "Justice Department" file a lawsuit against a state because they have the AUDACITY to ask that people produce a picture ID to vote, you'll understand WHY.
 
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You can lay your case out in black and white all day, doesn't matter.

True and validated by my posting again on ImpalaSSforums after long away. You cannot teach a horse to sing hymns or raise people's IQ with what is called public education. I had learned the folly of rational argument with the cognitively disabled and so chose to relocate to a place that embodied my rationally chosen values. Occasionally I require a reminder.
 

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"Slight course correction around the doldrums, Captain."

Homogeneous Culture - "What's Culture?"
One Way Forever - Make up new s*** every day taking the best that new immigrants show us
The Highest Good - "Define good, everyone for themselves"
Long Run - "Gimmee Next Quarter"
One Religion - Any religion or none, aspects of all of them are pretty wack.
Methodical issues-based leadership - "We have the god-given right to pick a new [savior-idiot-villain-crook-statesman] every 4 years based on just hair, sound bites, accusations and the press. Or on nothing at all."

I won't belabor the point. One side sorta kinda reps the motives or condition of other current (or failed) states out there. The other resembles more of us. In 8-10 centuries I see perspectives taken from each side to ultimately produce Nirvana. Much before then not so much. I'll venture to say the rest of the planet will look more like the U.S. than it will look like any other country by then.

What do they say about our justice system? "It's horrible, terrible and unjust. But it's also the best one operating on the planet."


In other words;
Halfway between the gutter and the stars, yeah
Halfway between the gutter and the stars, yeah

You can go with this,
Or you can go with that,
You can go with this,
Or you can go with that,
You can go with this,
Or you can go with that,
Or you can throw with us
 

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yes but...

What is your Weapon of Choice.

"What do they say about our justice system? "It's horrible, terrible and unjust. But it's also the best one operating on the planet."

That turns out not to be the case,see Switzerland, but it's not so far behind in truth.
 

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Hmmm.

I figured KW hadn't shut up for the last two and a half years...
 

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Hmmm.

I figured KW hadn't shut up for the last two and a half years...
And for the last 2 1/2 years, I'm still occupying space in your brain! cwm2 cwm2 cwm2

Damn Scotty…..you should be genuinely embarrassed to dredge up this thread and post about me after all this time. You must really be one lonely soul. cwm6

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And a good day to you as well, Old Man. How ya been?
 

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You guys have sure mellowed out...
 

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And a good day to you as well, Old Man. How ya been?
Pretty good. Still workin'....still got my health.....so I have no worries.

How 'bout yourself?

KW
 
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Glad to see everyone alive and kicking.
 
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OMG! This thread still lives.
 

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OMG! Lance still lives! Miss'ya. Your av more.

Thread-related: Seems only yesterday the two 1/2s of the country either loved or hated the POTUS. Today both halves love or loathe the current one again, but now add everyone despises 1/2 the people ni the country too.

And of course that special disgust for ALL politicians. --------------- Survey says!?!? "IMPROVEMENT!"
 

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Holly MISC Batman....a 2+ year old thread with over 1k posts like the good ol days.

LANCE!......SOOOOO miss the babe posts

Now if BK jumps in this thread...

wtf is it about...Obama....or the new guy now....same old shiat
 

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I'm not stating an opinion, just an observation of something I saw on TV the other day. On the screen was a post with pictures of all the presidential candidates on one side. I occurred to it looked like a high school year book.cwm3

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Saw that this morning. An even 2 dozen now. And yes, a whole bunch of kids wanna be Biden's VP, or at very least a Cabinet concession. Well except of course that one old unabashed socialist.



I'll just offer that it's getting dam near impossible to keep up with which reprehensible seething margin of each party is currently ahead of the reprehensible seething antics of the other right now. Juuuuuusst observations.
 
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