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Probably been answered before... but im lookin to do a efficient but quality front end rebuild.. whats ur opinion on both .. looking to get the best for the money is what it comes down to..

and .. poly bushings or rubber for daily driver..or does it matter?..

thanks~

 

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Originally posted by 96SSdriver:
PPM or Rustic Racing..????

Well......I have Rustic Racing's kit with Energy Suspension bushings on both my B-bodies.

Right/Quality parts for the right price !

KW

 

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I have the PPM kit. The control arm bushings were pressed in by a guy that has done many a set of the poly ones, he used the supplied grease, and guess what, they squeak.

So, I don't recommend doing those.

 

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I am in the same situation as 96SSDriver, I don't want squeaking suspension, but want the best for my money. I don't need the extreme performance but..

poly bushings or rubber for daily driver..or does it matter?..

I'll be ordering an Extreme Duty kit from PPM as soon as I can figure out what bushings to go with.. At this point I'm leaning towards Energy Suspenion..

 

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anyone else for suggestions?!????

 

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This is simple...I went through the same thought process. If you want to spend the money, go all Moog or all AC Delco, all nice parts but cost you some coin. When I researched doing my frontend, I wanted the PPM stuff soooo bad but with so many fellow b-body bro's dissing the service and eventually some of the poly...that squashed my desire.

I'd recommend you go with Rustic's stuff, great value and a good guy who'll be there for you to boot. I think enough people have complemented Mr. Nickel that he should have a head the size of the state of Illinois, but naw......he's a winning combination bud.

Stay away from the poly if you don't want to chance squeak, I did, and for a daily driver am very happy.

Just get Chris's kit, get it on and you'll be amazed at how much better you ride. Worry about getting this part overwith fast cause....you'll notice all the other stuff needing fixing shortly thereafter...like the steering box, intermediate shaft, lower body bushings. springs(make that decision if you have all your control arms off)...If I've missed anything, someone chime in. So save some money now with Chris's kit and with what you saved you can order some Vogtland Springs as well.

 

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Originally posted by SSmilin-95:
....Stay away from the poly if you don't want to chance squeak.....

Black poly is impregnated with graphite......I've never had black poly squeek.

Red poly squeeks like a herd

....gaggle

....pack (OK....a WHOLE LOT

!) of wild mice!

KW

 

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I put the black graphite impregnated bushings in my Impala SS years ago (maybe 1997?) and hated them. They were quiet at first, but squealed like a stuck pig after about 6 months. Yes, did the whole process with their special grease. Of course, I drove this car year-round in Michigan winters which I am sure contributed.

Fortunately (

), I totalled that car out and put Global West Delrin bushings in the replacement car. They were holding strong when I sold the car in 2003 and I never once heard them squeak. If I were sticking with stock control arms, that would be my first choice.

 

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Originally posted by KW Baraka:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SSmilin-95:
....Stay away from the poly if you don't want to chance squeak.....

Black poly is impregnated with graphite......I've never had black poly squeek.

Red poly squeeks like a herd

....gaggle

....pack (OK....a WHOLE LOT

!) of wild mice!

KW </font>[/QUOTE]KW, when I did my search on bushing replacement I did seem to notice a strong-enough pattern with those who purchased any poly(black or red) and lived in the colder climates to turn me off buying poly as mine is a daily driver up in the northern climate as well. Not saying it hasn't worked for many, I just didn't want to take that chance and the comfort level just wasn't there for me.

Mind you...I'm the same way with leaky faucets. They just drive me mad.... But fixing a leaky faucet is a one-timer whereas treating squeaky bushings could be a constant...

My $.02

 

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Originally posted by SSmilin-95:
.....I did seem to notice a strong-enough pattern with those who purchased any poly(black or red) and lived in the colder climates to turn me off buying poly....

Well........my B-body ownership is limited to San Antonio and Atlanta, as far as locations go.

Not exactly the great white (and cold) north.....so I'll defer to yours and Scotty's experience on this matter

.

KW

 

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Thanks for the help guys.. i appreciate it.. im probably ganna go with the rustic kit.. it was my original plan but im trying my BEST to do things right the first time since i really dont make enough money to experiment... even tho its fun sometimes.. still not sure on Poly or rubber.. but im leaning more towards the rubber only cuz i think my car handles GREAT now and my front end is shot! so i dont think i need much more then a rebuilt front end and the heavy duty rubber bushings.. especially for a daily driver..

 

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Poly is good if your building a X crossing or the ulitimate handing machine. For on the street, daily driver I'd stay with rubber.

 

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I did Gulstrand tubular upper A-arms with poly bushings on my '86 Monte SS. Worse mistake I ever made. In warmer climes they may work well but in the world of winter, a daily driver with poly bushing will squeak and bind. Mine did and cost me a set of new BFG's in about three months. If I do anything with my Impala it will probably be Del-A-Lum bushings as an upgrade or stock rubber as a maintenance thing. Never again for poly, particularly in the front end of a daily driver.

SStewart

 

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yeah my last car was a 88 monte ss.. i did rubber bushings... heard poly is bad.. but those cars Eat tires anyway... alright so rubber seems like the way to go..

 

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Thanks for all the input to this post guys, I'm going to go with the energy suspension bushings from Rustic as well.

 

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I'm also planning out my front end rebuild. Got my front end kit in the mail a few months ago from Rustic, great looking components! I'll probably order his control arms as well before I do the install.

 

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I have experience with both and would get new 5/8" spindles and control arms from Dal (stock) unless it's a show car. In that case PPM look better.

 

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^^agreed^^ also got the 5/8" spindles (thus why I still need the new control arms)....get them from Dal...RMS automotive also has reasonable prices on spindles.

 

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Poly always has the chance of squeaking, whether due to climate or installation problems. Our bushings are designed to reduce squeaking - they are made of the same graphite-impregnated urethane material as Energy, but they have grooves in the surface to help reduce sqeaking (to the best of my knowledge, Energy does not offer this feature).

Poly is a great compromise between price and performance. Rubber is cheaper, but doesn't perform as well. Delrin/aluminum bushings have the best performance, but have the harshest ride and are the most expensive.

We've had some backorder situations before and our customer service suffered. The poly stuff goes out of stock from time to time, but our idler arms, center links, ball joints, tie rod ends, etc, are always in stock.

Rustic makes a good product for a good price. We charge a little higher but offer what we believe is the highest quality stuff out there.

I hope this clears things up - good luck with your rebuild!