[jayoldschool]

Can someone explain to me how that hot rod uses two motors?

Bolt the rear of the front crank to the front of the rear crank. Presto, V16.

 

[NO DUBS]

Shoulda put 4 in there. 1 for each wheel

 

[ProTools4]

 

[hotrod scrap]

I loved that write-up man, I gotta do this soon! Thanks for sharing with us, I just found it. I couldn't open the links to how/where the panhard bar tied in. Great looking work!

I also love the twin-mill rod, I drooled over that car when I got my Hot Rod Mag. and saw that beast!

-SS

 

[SSandman]

Bad ass tad! your car just keeps getting better at a rate I don't think any of us could match! LOL

I am already planning out my mini tub for the 96, same as you i'd like to use stretched wheels (and now I know who to go to for that! Looks like they did an awesome job). One thing that has been bothering me is that those kumho's are pretty much the ONLY 335/35/17 out there anymore aside from the huge money pilot sports. . Sucks big ones. I really wish there were 335/35/17 e/t street radials, Nitto NT555r's of BFG drag radials. It just worries me that i'll put a set of those kuhmos on and they'll discontinue the tire. At least with an 11" wheel I should be able to go to 315's which they have a ton of for 17's if that happens.

 

[hotrod scrap]

Tad, I would like some more info on the rear end centering, panhard bar. I couldn't find anything, I want to know if it needs to be mocked up at ride height on floor, or what, length, etc? Thanks man, I love your work. Makes me wish I was back in San Diego for a little while!

-SS

 

[cashmoneyspeed]

This is such a bad ass topic. love the dual engine vehicle too.

 

[ProTools4]

Due to intrest spilling from the other frame nothing threads I'm buming this back to the top

 

[impreSSive]

Simply Beautiful!!!

Awsome write up Tad. Hope we see J 5 Later this month up at Bates.

 

[Stoney]

frame notch

Due to intrest spilling from the other frame nothing threads I'm buming this back to the top

You are feeling good..

 

[94MI9C1]

I reused the original outer that I cut off and welded in 3/16's plate on the back side of it, almost can't tell it has a notch at all
Here is a crappy picture in the process of the notch before paint and all that, I will have to shoot more pics with it complete, it has been done just forgot to shoot any pics of it

 

[9C1'Stangkiller]

I for some reason feel compelled to post up my hack job frame narrowing pictures.

Here, I've used MS Paint to illustrate how many 3/8" steel plate pieces I used to strengthen the inside of the frame and where they went

Here, I'm trimming the edges of the frame remnant to weld back up to the frame

Here it is tacked up and getting beaten into submission.

And then I had to grind the calipers... Holy **** that was a lot of grinding...

And then the wheels fit. Oh happy day!

I tallied up the man hours it took to do this. Start to finish, from the measuring, template making, to the cutting, grinding, welding, painting, grinding the calipers, test fit, grind more, test fit, ect... It was about 38 hours of work for just me and about another 4 hours for my helper.

And I did this in 2 1/2 days. I was on leave over Christmas, so it had to be done so I could get back to Ft. Campbell. Insane.

I still cringe when I think about how long those 3 days were. Now, If I did it again, I could do it in about 1/2 of that time, but still, it's a lot of work.

 

[sonuvah]

Nice work, man. I feel ya on the hours thing. Why do we do this? I'm jealous you have the skill and tools to do this mod. I paid $1200 for a local shop to do it in a week. But now you've confirmed for me it was $ well spent. Would like to see some shots of clearance between tires and notched frame when you get some time. What size tires?

 

[SSandman]

I am just curious, I am seeing a trend in guys plating the inside of the frame rails when doing frame notches. It can't hurt, but only issue I see is when you are narrowing the rail, you are weakening it in regards to side to side flex/twist due to the top and bottom area being less. Plating the sides wont do much as I see it as the top and bottom is what you are really hurting by thinning the frame. On my setup I welded a 3/16's strip across the top of both rails (and I suppose you can do bottom too) overlapping the area that was not boxed. I'm hoping this will support the now thinner width of the frame and prevent side to side flex or twist at that point. I also welded in gussets to support the area that gets very thin between the rear crossmember and the LCA pocket.

 

[9C1'Stangkiller]

Nice work, man. I feel ya on the hours thing. Why do we do this? I'm jealous you have the skill and tools to do this mod. I paid $1200 for a local shop to do it in a week. But now you've confirmed for me it was $ well spent. Would like to see some shots of clearance between tires and notched frame when you get some time. What size tires?

Skill and tools? Hell, the reason I did this on leave was to do it with a borrowed plasma cutter in my uncle's garage with all his gear. I was still living in an apartment at the time. And you're giving me way too much credit for skill. I really didn't know what I was getting into. I just got lucky I figured it out. I mean really... I'm a mechanic in the Army. cwm3 That teaches everything at an 8th grade level. So everybody can do it.

I'll see if I can't snap some pics tonight of the clearance. It's actually quite a bit now. Tire size is 325/50R15, but it's kind of misleading. Yes, it measures like like 11.5 at the tread, but it's got quite a section width, that would otherwise rub the frame.

 

[Stoney]

Frame notch done

I just got my car back today! The frame notch looks clean. Got to give it up to SIRE CUSTOM PERFORMANCE. I'll post a few pics tomorrow if I can find some time.

 

[unsafe]

hey now,

protools4 thanks for the right up, you may have noticed that i am putting together a mini tub / frame notching thread that i hope will have every bit of info on the subject.

i think i am sold on the way unique did it. his way seems the simplest to me.

if you would, please give a break down of the time spent at Sire Fabrication. what i mean is about how long did it take unique to section out the old piece of frame, then how long to cut out the 4 main pieces to get welded back in then weld them in and then the small end cap pieces as well?

what i am trying to do is estimate how long a professinol would take for a job like that. i live way to far away or i would let unique do it, so i am thinking of hiring a welder with his service truck come out to my place and do it.

thanks for your time.

dave

 

[9C1'Stangkiller]

hey now,

protools4 thanks for the right up, you may have noticed that i am putting together a mini tub / frame notching thread that i hope will have every bit of info on the subject.

i think i am sold on the way unique did it. his way seems the simplest to me.

if you would, please give a break down of the time spent at Sire Fabrication. what i mean is about how long did it take unique to section out the old piece of frame, then how long to cut out the 4 main pieces to get welded back in then weld them in and then the small end cap pieces as well?

what i am trying to do is estimate how long a professinol would take for a job like that. i live way to far away or i would let unique do it, so i am thinking of hiring a welder with his service truck come out to my place and do it.

thanks for your time.

dave

I would just like to point out, though I am not a "professional", It took me about 38 man hours to do this. I did have to wait on the welder to cool down every now and again though. Also, I had to grind the **** out of the calipers for the wheels.

I'd say if I did this again, just the frame notch, with a plas and a MIG welder that worked good, 20 hours would be about right.

 

[unsafe]

hey now,

9c1'stangkiller at first i was thinking i could do this myself, then i went and priced a plasma cutter from harbor freight and that is about $700 and a welder is around $200 and add in $100 for things like weld blankets and plasma tips, weld wire and taxes.

if i go this way i get to keep the tools but i would probably take a big week end and do i trust my own welds since i have never welded before.

just from reading protools4 post it looked as if unique had it up in air then marked out a 1.25 notch, cut it out with a plasma cutter. from there he used protools4 cardboard cut out and cut from a sheet of half inch mild steel a piece to weld up to make the wall of the cut frame. unique then added the end pieces to the notch, bolted the tires back on and put it back on the ground. i am guessing about 4 hours for the job.

so if i have a welder come on over and it is allready up on jack stands and have him do the unique method it may only cost me about around 4 or 5 hours of his time @ $75hr

and of course i will have to buy the material (.5 inch plate of metal) either way.

if i trusted myself with a welder i would do it myself, but if i hire a welder it should cost less and i will have piece of mind that the back half of the car wont fall off.

thanks

dave

 

[juicedimpss]

I would just like to point out, though I am not a "professional", It took me about 38 man hours to do this. I did have to wait on the welder to cool down every now and again though. Also, I had to grind the **** out of the calipers for the wheels.

I'd say if I did this again, just the frame notch, with a plas and a MIG welder that worked good, 20 hours would be about right.

20 hours is right on par with what it takes for us.