Racing Stewards Rules Discussion

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Discussion Starter · Feb 10, 2001

I hope that in the next few days I can get the beginnings of a set of National Racing Rules for ISSCA.
Road Course racing, AutoCross racing and 1/4 - 1/8th mile Drag Racing.
We don't need to have a final and approved set of rules, I just wanted to get the ideas flowing. My goal is to have a set of simple, fun, and easy to enforce rules. That may be impossible but that is the goal.
Here is the email I posted to NAISSO.
Thanks for your help in this,
Karl Ellwein
Let the discussion begin!!!!
Greetings, Impala SS Club of America, ISSCA.
According to ISSCA bylaws, Section 10. The National Racing Steward shall also conduct a National Rules Meeting consisting of all local and regional Racing Stewards each year, at a time and location to be determined by the National Racing Steward, and will present all findings of this meeting to the Board of Directors for final disposition.
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Since this is the very beginning of our ISSCA club, and regional clubs have not been formed yet, and new members are joining every day, I think I'll appoint as Assistant Racing Stewards, everyone who notified me with offers to help. Of course the Assistant Racing Stewards are required to be members of ISSCA in good standing.
So, by the power vested in me by the ISSCA Board of Directors, I hereby "dub" the following people "Assistant Racing Stewards", subject to membership verification:
Gene Bennett
Keith Brantley
Les Brown
Bob Dannelley
Robert Gulley
Paul Kemlage
Raffy Kouyoumdjian
Mike Laughridge
Tina Lawson
Dominique Medina
John Oliver
Cheston Philips
Phil Reifschneider
Ed Runion
Greg Smith
David Valentine
Lyndon Wesson
I will appoint more racing stewards as the regions form.
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Start throwing ideas around right here.
Karl Ellwein

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Discussion Starter · #21 · Mar 4, 2001

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by DIMPALA:
.....All cars should stay in a stock appearance because there is other racing orginizatons for all out race cars
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Keep the comments and ideas comming. This is a good forum to be throwning around opinions, and we need everyones.
Everyone here has been posting good points and some I've never even thought of.
One of these days, we as racing stewards are going to have to send forth some proposals onward to the ISSCA Board. I'm thinking we can send a couple of rule packages to the Board and let them decide what should be emphisised.
Karl Ellwein

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Discussion Starter · #22 · Mar 4, 2001

Good point Karl, because I dont really know what else to address and it would be helpful if we can start focusing on specific areas.
Any ideas?

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DOMINIQUE MEDINA
1995 IMPALA SS
T00 MANY MODS TO LIST!

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Discussion Starter · #23 · Mar 5, 2001

Hey Karl:
Just A Little Feed Back !!!!! I No I Am Not The First One. To Want To Make There Impala SS Fast ! But Way Back When I Got The Vision Of Have The Fastest 94-96 IMPALA SS Around. I Went To Work Engineering THE BAD BOWTIE. At That Time The Only Thing That Realy Counted Was The ET Page On NASSIO WEB Page. The Title Was The Fastest 94-96 IMPALA SS On The NET!!! No Real Rules Applyed. Just What Mod's You Did To Go So FAST . My Idea Of All This Was To Make The Impala Go Fast With What GM Gave You To Work With. The LT-1 Engine, The 4L60E Trans. And All 4,400 # Of It. My Idea Was To Have A Full Trim Show Street Car. That Was FAST,FAST, FAST!! And That I Could Drive Any Where At Will!!!! Show It & Race It & Drive It Home . For The Past 4 Years I Have Do Just That! So Make It Look Good , Go FAST, & For G*D Sakes Keep It Looking Like A IMPALA SS. So As For The Rules To This. I Have Always Said Any Body Can Put A Big Block In A Car A Make It Go Fast Down The Track. Or You Can Strip Your Car To the MAX to Lighten It. But Thats Not What This Is All About! It's About Going Fast Making That Little Small Block Tick. Making That 4L60 E Pull Hard. Changing Gears, Bolt Ons, Headers, NOS, Turbo's, & Super Charges. Or Any Other Little Trick You Can Come Up With. And Most Of All Holding Your Head Up. In Your Last Of The True Modern Muscle Cars. The IMPALA SS!!!!!! Just My Thoughts!!!!!!

THE BAD BOWTIE

HEADS -UP FOREVER!!!!!!!!

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96 DCM 409 BAD BOWTIE Chemicaly Enhanced Sedan
10.822 ET @ 128.22 MPH ~ 4,480# with my a$$ In It!!!
<LI>ImpalaFest Fastest ET & New Record 4 Year Champion
<LI>ImpalaFest 2000 2nd Place '96 DCM Modified Class
<LI>GM High-Tech Performance Jan 2000 (The Heavyweight Champion)
<LI>Super Chevy March 2000 Drag Racing Editor's Choice Award
<LI>East Coast Impala Open 1999 Power Adders Champion
<LI>Horsepower TV'S Quickest 94 - 96 Impala SS In The Land
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Discussion Starter · #24 · Mar 6, 2001

Karl;

I believe we should keep this as simple as possible.
Bracket racing classes

Bracket 1=13.00 and slower
Bracket 2=12.99 and faster

Heads-up Class

Super Pro=Heads-Up .500 Pro tree

In the qualifying for this class no times will be shown in practice on the big board.

If you want to race in this class against
the big boys GOOD LUCK.

I believe in the run what you brung approach.
That's what it's all about. It doesn't matter if the tires are skinny up front or if the exhaust dumps before the rear axle. If you can get it thru state inspections in your various areas then you should be able to run it.
If you want to bring it in by trailer so be it.
All you have to do is get thru tech inspection and your good to go.
This means if the battery is in the trunk you had better have a kill switch back there that
shuts the engine off when I turn it to off.
If you don't than you don't race until it's fixed. This also includes roll cages and roll bars for those that go fast per NHRA rules or IHRA rules depending at whose track your at.
The rules are there for your protection. Please follow them.

Paul Kemlage
Asst Steward (but probably not for long)
Tech Inspector for ECIRS

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Discussion Starter · #25 · Mar 6, 2001

Karl;

I believe we should keep it as simple as possible.

Bracket 1= 13.00 and slower

Bracket 2= 12.99 and faster

Super Pro=heads-up .500 Pro Tree
in this class during practice no times will be shown on the board on runs for anyone to see. Only the ticket will show you what you ran.
If you want to run in this class against the big boys GOOD LUCK.

I believe in the run what you brung scenario.
All you have to do is get thru Tech Inspection at the track you are running at be it NHRA or IHRA. That means if you put your battery in the trunk you better have a on-off
switch in the rear that works.

Paul Kemlage
Asst. Steward
Tech Inspector ECIRS

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Discussion Starter · #26 · Mar 6, 2001

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Paul Kemlage:

I believe in the run what you brung scenario.
All you have to do is get thru Tech Inspection at the track you are running at be it NHRA or IHRA. That means if you put your battery in the trunk you better have a on-off
switch in the rear that works.
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The point I was trying to make was this is not the NHRA or IHRA,if you want to go race pro stock those are the organizations to join, the cars should look like a SS,no skinnies,no stripped interior,no big blocks etc...

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DOMINIQUE MEDINA
1995 IMPALA SS
T00 MANY MODS TO LIST!

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Discussion Starter · #27 · Mar 6, 2001

I understand what you are saying and
I don't disagree with you, I'm just saying that you still have to abide by the rules of the track that you are running at because
they are usually afilliated with either
NHRA or IHRA, and those are the rules the tech inspectors go by. The reason I say this is because some of the people that run their
SS's at these races have moved their batteries to the trunk and don't have the
required safety equipment like on-off switches in the rear. I'm just concerned
from a safety stand point.

Paul Kemlage
Asst. Steward
Tech Inspector ECIRS

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Discussion Starter · #28 · Mar 6, 2001

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Paul Kemlage:
It doesn't matter if the tires are skinny up front or if the exhaust dumps before the rear axle. If you can get it thru state inspections in your various areas then you should be able to run it.
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I was refering to the above comment.complying with track safety rules are the most important rules of course but then we will have our own set of rules to keep the cars looking like impala's

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DOMINIQUE MEDINA
1995 IMPALA SS
T00 MANY MODS TO LIST!

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Discussion Starter · #29 · Mar 6, 2001

O.K. I got you now. I don't know about that,
let me think on it for a short period and I'll let you know. I would agree that we want to keep the cars looking like Impalas
but doesn't this also concern the B-bodys.
I mean some people can't afford to go out and get a used Impala SS.

Paul Kemlage
Asst. Steward
Tech Inspector ECIRS

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Discussion Starter · #30 · Mar 7, 2001

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by DIMPALA:
the cars should look like a SS,no skinnies,no stripped interior,no big blocks etc...
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My car IS an SS, regardless of what rims & tires I run on it at the track. It doesn't look like everyone else's Impala at the track: I run American Racing 767 steel wheels with my drag radials on the back.

FYI, I bought matching 15x7" AR 767's today for the front. I've always thought my Billet Specialties front wheels (17x9.5" w/ 275/40's) didn't look too good with my 15x8 AR 767's on the back when I race. {Should be noted that with Billet Specialties 17x9.5" and 17x11" wheels, my Impala doesn't look 'stock' anymore...}

So, now I'll run my 15x7" AR 767's with 215/65-15 tires on the front when I race. 15x7" is the STOCK Impala SS spare rim size and 215mm is the STOCK width spare tire size (although the aspect ratio is 75 vs. 65).

Why did I pick 215/65-15's???
I thought about going with 205/65-15's, but 215mm tires had a couple-hundred pound greater weight rating(1510lbs @ 44psi vs. 205/65-15 rating of approx. 1300lbs vs. stock tire rating of 1764lbs @ 44psi). Also, my 275/50-15 DR's have a diameter of 25.83"; the 215/65-15's have a diameter of 26.00".

So, I have front racing rims the same width as the stock spare rim.
I have front racing tires the same width as the stock spare tire.
The weight rating is sufficient for my car.
Should I be able to race at any and all ISSCA racing events??? I say yes!

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Discussion Starter · #31 · Mar 7, 2001

Hi Karl:
Here are my two cents worth.

Heads up racing is exciting. Just ask all in attendance at Impalafest when John Rafteseth and I ran identical qualification times (10.98 each.) Everyone could not wait to see the elimination run. For those not there they missed an event. John ran a 10.82 to my 10.83. Now that is exciting. Just to think it was done with Impalas and not an F-body or little Mustang. I think that more and more Impala racers will start to go faster and faster when they see what John and I have done. Don't get me wrong, I am not bragging I am simply making a statement that a class should exist for those that wish to go FAST. The only restriction that I think should be imposed in this BIG Class is that the motor must be an LT1. As regards the size of the front tires, I know there are a number of SS racers running skinnies up front. IMHO I think one should be able to run whatever size tire they can fit under their car, front & back. I agree that the cars should have full interior. As regards the exhaust the only limitations should be those imposed by each particular track. I recently had the opportunity to hear Keith Brantley,s car with open headers and not only did it sound killer, it ran two back to back 12.11 @ 112mph in not to friendly weather. Hope you consider these suggestions.

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Discussion Starter · #32 · Mar 8, 2001

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by AdioSS:
In my opinion, we should be limited to using the thinnest size tire that was put on a 91-96 B-body STOCK.
I have owned a 91 civilian Caprice "n0n 9c1" since the Spring of '97. Inside the door jamb, the sticker calls for 205/75 15. That is the absolute thinnest size I've seen of any cars of these years. My plans for this car are to make it my totally street legal race car. In fact, I have raced it once before. Bob and Phil were there to see me run a 16.599. This was with stock width tires (75 series front & bald 65 series rear) and a stock 305 with few bolt-ons. I know there are others out there on this board and others that have civilian Caprices and Roadmasters, etc that probably have this same size tire. If they wanted to race and get counted, they would be forced to upgrade their front tire size? That wouldn't be right.
Again, I say put a minimum front tire width at 205.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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