[toomanytoyz]

I just posted this info on my local club's forum as a response to a member there, but thought it may be helpful here. Sorry if it's a repost, but you can thank me anyways when you have a full header/exhaust setup for about 500 bucks.

The "inexpensive" headers will require you to have an exhaust shop do some work to hook them up to your current exhaust.

I have had excellent luck with the Flowtech Afterburners. They are a GREAT fitting header. Better than the Tri-y's, even.
Uncoated for $185 http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BIG-49100FLT/
Coated for $335 http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BIG-49100-1FLT/

I also have these in my garage waiting to install. Summit branded dynomax coated headers for $189. They look to require trimming or removing the frame braces, too. But they are CHEAP!
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G9001-9/

Both can be used with o2 bungs in the collectors. Wires should reach.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BIG-10110FLT/ $29
Or you can skip buying the reducers with the o2 bungs. Summit sells bungs for like 4 or 5 bucks a piece and you could just have someone weld them onto the ones that come with the headers to save a few bucks...

Also plan on another 50-75 bucks for GOOD gaskets and bolts.
Percy's $30

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PHP-66011/

ARP 5/16" 12 points $20

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ARP-400-1208/

Go with ANY of these and you're under 500 clams with the exhaust hookups.

Cats? Walker High Flows for $55 each

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WLK-15038/

Plus, you get to drive to the exhaust shop OPEN HEADERS!!!!!!

Oh, and STAY AWAY from shorty headers cuz they are "cheaper"! Not only are they a total BITCH to install, but they are virtually USELESS for any real gains. Go with long tubes.

For those of you keeping tract of the moolah... That's $495 WITH CATS!!!! If you go with the coated afterburners that fit like a phucking glove. That's not much more than the price of a set of UNCOATED SHORTIES (Hookers, for example)! Add another 50-100 bucks for the exhaust shop work and you'll be a VERY happy man!

Oh yeah, and for the ULTIMATE cheap exhaust, I ordered this, too...
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-680131/

$199 now, but was $170 when I ordered it. That's a complete 2.5" exhaust that SHOULD fit.

Hope this helps someone save some cash.

 

[Sinister]

Nice post, thanks.

 

[helpcomputer]

Thanks man.. gonna go with the Afterburners. If I go uncoated, are they going to burn up numerous lines and plug wires? Not worried about looks...

Any trimming/modifications need to be done to the frame, etc to get 'em fit just right?

 

[toomanytoyz]

Thanks man.. gonna go with the Afterburners. If I go uncoated, are they going to burn up numerous lines and plug wires? Not worried about looks...

Any trimming/modifications need to be done to the frame, etc to get 'em fit just right?

You'd run the risk of them burning up the AC lines moreso if they are uncoated and your underhood temps would be a good bit higher. But back in the day, I never ran coated headers on my camaros and birds and whatever else.

That said, I'd run the coated ones.

You shouldn't have to trim the frame braces and they both drop in from the top in abut 15 minutes a side. You will have to bend the AC lines quite a bit with them to get them to clear though. Some guys have had AC line issues with them. I didn't.

 

[Dustan]

Bill when will you know if that catback will fit?

 

[toomanytoyz]

Bill when will you know if that catback will fit?

Well, I'd like to say soon, but probably early spring. Hell, I've had it since APRIL! cwm3 But I got the idea from a cheap exhaust thread on here that someone installed on a 93 Roadie Wagon, IIRC. It fit on his...

So take it FWIW.

 

[helpcomputer]

Coated it is! Thanks, bruh

 

[94roadiewagon]

i just put those summit brand on. Passenger side fits great without A/C, drivers side you need to cut the fram brace ALL THE WAY OFF...also the arp header bolts are a no go! need to get your hands on a set of allen head bolts there is NO WAY to get those ARP's on

 

[dinasaur killer]

ouch!! chris thanks for the heads up! dam. i can see shifting ac lines but cuting a frame brace completely out??

what gives?(literally!!)

 

[94roadiewagon]

Every car is different but i dont see any way around cutting it. Also the A/C linnes could "probably" be bent enough but I will be damned if I could get it to work. O well I do not drive it daily!

 

[toomanytoyz]

Why wouldn't those ARP's work? I've never encountered a situation where they wouldn't. There aren't many places you can't fit a box end...

I have NEVER had good luck with allen header bolts. Got pics of the issues you're talking about?

How about pics of those headers installed? This thread would be a GREAT place for those! If you don't know how to post them, email them to me and I will host them.

 

[Stockfornow]

How is the fit on a RMW for the Afterburners? Would like to be able to keep my ac.

 

[pooner9185]

The coated summit headers on my 95 caprice required to cut the frame brace out on both sides. I was hesitant too but it's been like that for a month or too now and everything works fine

 

[killerzracing71]

The coated summit headers on my 95 caprice required to cut the frame brace out on both sides. I was hesitant too but it's been like that for a month or too now and everything works fine

Can I see pics of it?

Im gonna snag a set.

 

[MrDelRio]

So these Afterburners you posted will fit the SS? Im dropping in a motor soon and I just wanna be sure. Im ordering this week, 335 bux you cant beat it!

 

[toomanytoyz]

So these Afterburners you posted will fit the SS? Im dropping in a motor soon and I just wanna be sure. Im ordering this week, 335 bux you cant beat it!

I installed them on my Fleetwood back in the day. No clearance issues aside from the AC lines. But just bend them! Aside from them, it's like they were designed for the car.

I've also seen them easily installed on a couple friend's caprices and Impalas.

 

[MrDelRio]

Ordering this week man, thanks for the info!

 

[Ram Air 383]

I really like the afterburners as well. They are easy to install compared to other generic (and some b-body specific) headers and perform just as well as any 1 5/8" primary headers. They also have long collectors which makes a big difference for low end response and torque.

When bending the A/C line make sure it clears the header and the control arm. Otherwise, it will burst in a short amount of time. Also, some 94 b-bodies seem to have minor frame clearance issue on the passenger side.

Also they do not have O2 bungs so you would either have to weld them in or get extended pipes with 02 bungs and extend the wires.

 

[Wutz's HeavyChevy]

Bill knows what he is talking about.

I installed them on my Fleetwood back in the day. No clearance issues aside from the AC lines. But just bend them! Aside from them, it's like they were designed for the car. I've also seen them easily installed on a couple friend's caprices and Impalas.

Toomanytoyz working on his Lt1 6-Speed Caddy.

http://www.inegma.net/4images/details.php?image_id=924
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Wutz

 

[pooner9185]

Can I see pics of it?

Im gonna snag a set.

and here's link to the thread:
http://www.impalassforum.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=230831

My O2 sensor wires didn't come close to the reducers so i had to weld bungholes into the collectors. Pretty hard to get a picture of where the frame brace needs to be cut but trimming won't work. Just cut at both ends