Dick Miller makes a wagon versionFWIW These will not fit on any wagon. GM has a brace OEM that interferes with the DMR brace.
Don't think it was ever a clearance issue with a factory wagon gussetsFWIW These will not fit on any wagon. GM has a brace OEM that interferes with the DMR brace.
Sorry for my ignorance but what is the photo supposed to be showing?ALL aftermarket front sway bars need this:
Confused, then, on the relation to aftermarket front sway bars.No
That is a B body with a boxed C channel. Point I was (attempting to) making was that the whole frame is weak. Yes the front (and rear) frame braces help a lot, but the only real fix for how weak the frame is requires welding. Today, I'll amend that slightly by saying that welding small gusetts into the C channel every 9-12" works just as well and does not require the body be lifted to do it, nor cutting holes to access the body bushings. Just cut steel 1/8" thick to fit into the C channel and weld them in. C is instantly very strong.
My point was that aftermarket sway bars bend the weak frame unless the frame is made much stronger. Buy a new QA1 1 3/8" front sway bar (the most roll resitant you can buy today) and unless you make the attachment points on the frame connected to a much more rigid frame, you just bought the = of a 1 1/4" front sway bar. Find an old discontinued 1 3/8" solid or 1 1/2" solid, they will bend an OEM frame even more.
I guess this is what was confusing me. But I get your point now.That is the Pro-Touring F-Body front frame brace .
It is not part of the suspension like the sway bars. It is a oem brain fart missing piece of the frame, sometimes called the chassis. OEM weak front frame rails BAD. Welded in brace for strong front frame rails GOOD.
The group purchase here long ago means lots of old timers already have this. The young? Probably not.
Not any more.The ultimate in neutral sway bars for the heaviest D bodies still available are the 1 3/8" QA 1 front and Hotchkis 1 3/8" rear bars. Other rear bars from Hellwig and a chrome moly from QA 1 have more roll resistance than the Hotchkis even though its smaller. The QA 1 can be paired with the BMR 1 1/2" solid rear bar on a Fleetwood and you'll barely notice the oversteer potential until you drive it like a maniac. The Nolathane REV 003.0182 is a front solid 1 3/8". Sadly no 1 3/8" solid rear bar.
Depending on dimensions , maybe more than that.
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