Wow! So many responses after just one day off my laptop! Good to see the passion from both sides.
Mike 454 was making a playful jab at the 100+ (it seemed) questions during the drivers meeting before the road race. A lot of people seemed obsessed about "what to do if it rains" after the autocross rainout was fresh on their minds. Todd mentioned at least 4 times that "if you don't feel comfortable racing, then don't race but we WILL be racing rain or shine" However, that CLEAR statement was followed up by MORE rain questions. Mike was just having some fun. The rain call on the autocross is disputed by no one.
Rick Matthews; I appreciate your professional and calm response. Emotions run high and you were very thoughtful in your comments. I appreciate that. EDIT: I just saw your PM to me and I appreciate your understanding I am venting. If nothing else maybe ISSCA will show more "awareness" for LISST in the future.
You know I have the ultimate respect for you. We just don't agree on this subject. Nothing personal. And if you look carefully, I even gave a smiley face to let you know I was TEASING you about the company man thing. I consider myself a company man 99% of the time - it's not a bad thing. This country NEEDS more people loyal to their cause. Which is why I hope you respect and understand that LISST is my first priority and I will fiercely defend my club. LISST has 7 meetings, a Drag Day, we attend car shows (and donate to OTHER clubs charities), a large Holiday Party, cruises, picnics, etc. We try and make a difference by donating to local charities. ISSCA and the Forum only see a small sliver of what LISST is all about. I see these people up to 15 times a year, plus the people that I am friends with outside the club so please understand this. Just like I am fiercely loyal to you and ECIRS.
As far as calling people 'dicks' - well... I think you took that out of context. I called no one a dick. I said it was a dick move. Which (to me) means it was an uncool move. That's all. I guess I could have picked a better word, but it is what it is. A "not cool" move.
Also, as far as asking politely...that was all behind the scenes last week. Bill Harper and I exchanged emails and all of a sudden he stopped replying to me. As a matter of fact at one point Bill H said to me he didn't think there was much he could do about it but he would at least check on it and at the same time instead of replying to my next response he sent something to the Directors saying TFB.
Meef; Please don't get involved either in my relationship with Karl or with telling LISST how to run Drag Day. You weren't even there. Your statement about relocating "thousands" of members is laughable and shows you have no clue as to the real dynamics. There were about 150-175 ISSCA attendees at MM. LISST Drag Day generally gets 90-100 attendees. More important, as stated, I am a big boy and LISST chalked it up to "too bad, life isn't always fair" for 2005. Things happen. We understand. But to have to have it happen AGAIN, and even WORSE in 2006 sucks the big wazoo (something you ARE familiar with). And NO, LISST will not move our date. It is really hard to get an event that size moved on the calendar PLUS we like to have it coincide with the EFI Days because GM High Tech Mag is there shooting pics and it's good Impala exposure. Then again, why am I explaining myself to you?
I ask everyone once again, would ISSCA schedule against Impalafest? Hell no, there would be rioting. But LISST Drag Day gets whomped again. If nothing else, I am sure I have raised awareness for this. Rick Matthews sent me a PM politely and clearly explaining that ISSCA feels bad, but that they basically had no choice in the dates. I will disagree on that. Maybe they had no choice on the dates for INDY. Either way, I appreciate Rick's understanding response. I am still waiting for a reply from Bill Harper I sent Thursday of last week.
Actually, this is the THIRD year ISSCA will cause a date conflict for the east because to get our cars to Vegas on time, we had to all miss Carlisle (GM Nationals) and load the cars on the trailer.
There are TWO events in the east that are huge for us, GM Nats at Carlisle and LISST Drag Day. We don't have a lot of control over either date.
Rickerwill; It was great to meet you and thanks for coming. Has Bill's wagon recovered from that brutal and crowd pleasing beating you put on it during the autocross?
When I say cajoled members to come I was not only referring to LISST members, I was referring to members from OTHER nearby clubs or people like Noel who would not have come otherwise. Believe me when I tell you I got a bunch of other people who were either on the fence or not planning on attending to come play at MM. I do more for ISSCA than most do. I helped in Vegas last year and I worked at MM this year. You think spending 3 hours in the sun next to Bobo is easy? Just kidding, I had a blast with Fandetti!
Gerry; Thanks for the footage. Been so busy only watched it twice. One important item which backs up my being upset about the dates being so close: You just said while you would have LIKED to attend LISST day you COULDN'T because of your MM commitments. That sucks. We lost 10-20 people that way this year. Some just couldn't do both. And that is 10-20 less people to contribute to charities. Everyone loses.
Gene; I was not referring to the "ECIRS regulars" who are ISSCA Directors as well. We had a bunch. Roz, dW, yourself, Dan L, etc. If you read I said ISSCA Execs. Meaning the big boys like Rick and Bill H and Jay and the other people on the top of the mast in the SScene. I presume some of them could have got to town a day early to see the best Impala event this side of Texas!
As far as not bringing up the conflict of the dates at MM: To be honest, I didn't know there was a conflict until I was home and the LISST officers got together to discuss. I just know the 2nd Saturday in July is our date at E-Town, the date didn't ring a bell with me at first. I was all wrapped up with MM (and maybe some of Rusty's firewater sapped me too).
I still stand by my original beef. ISSCA has stepped on LISST 2 years in a row. LISST is not happy about it. Once, ok, yeah, **** happens. Forgive and forget. But twice? This one is going down like a razor blade sandwich.
Everyone who says "oh too bad, it's unfortunate" hasn't had it happen twice (granted, I accept ISSCA's statement it was unintentional but why don't they have their finger on the pulse of the community to know when the events are, especially after the conflict this year!) to them.