Top 10 reasons why Indy date needs to be changed

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Discussion Starter · Jul 29, 2005

It has come to my attention from a number of ISSCA members
that the date chosen for the 2006 ISSCA National event is "not the best".
Given the surprising swiftness that the venue and date were chosen,
I do not believe it is too late for something to change.
I think that the ISSCA BOD should seriously consider changing
the date because of the following reasons.

#1 July 4th week conflict

-will cut attendance in half
-most attendees will not be able to stay for whole event
-families have vacation plans already
-most extended families ALWAYS get together on this date

#2 ECIRS race at E-town is the same weekend (LISST drag day)

-Die hard drag racers will go to the closest impala racing venue (in this case E-town, NJ)
-Fastest cars on the East Coast will not be able to attend Indy
-LISST drag day is the largest North-East event of the year.
-It's equivalent to having the ISSCA event at the same time as Impalafest

#3 Week-day events are inconvenient

-Cuts down on local attendance because of work commitments
-Die-hards will come from Cali or the East Coast anyway
-Die-hards will come no matter the day of week

#4 Four day event is too long

-Most Impala owners come out for 1 or 2 events in
which their car specializes then leave

#5 The event can be completed in a weekend

-Day 1: Car show/Sound off, road race.
-Day 2: Autocross, Dragrace

#6 Besides Christmas and Thanksgiving, there could be
no better date for people to be unavailable.

#7 There are 11 other weekends in the summer, pick one.

#8 Who picked this date?

#9 Burnouts won't be as much fun with all the fireworks in the air.

#10 On a different weekend, we might actually get to race at the brickyard.

IF YOU AGREE, POST YOUR THOUGHTS HERE!

Nabil Guffey
Mechanicsville, MD

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Discussion Starter · #81 · Aug 1, 2005

Someone said "Make you regional director aware"....???

Gerry, Gene, dW, Paul & Dan L.
You all know how I have felt on this subject in the past & we (GNISSC) have worked through it. It seems almost every year we have to compete with ISSCA to get B-bodies to come to Carlisle & yes we aren't doing too shabby but "what if"?
Because people, not only from the NE, have to make a decision whether to choose Carlisle or the Nationals is not right.
This year GNISSC even decided not to compete with ISSCA & tried to talk undecided people into going to MM instead of Carlisle. GNISSC was down some 23 cars from 2004 & that is directly due to MM being close in date & its location.
Next year, we will compete & since Carlisle has added a 1/4 road course onsite & there is an 1/8 drag strip nearby we will be looking to have more fun in Carlisle to attract more than just the car show people. Also maybe a little go-cart competition.
I understand that ISSCA doesn't have a lot of choice but as it has been said by BK & some others, it would seem that ISSCA would think about these other events when scheduling the national event especially since neither LISST nor GNISSC has any control whatsoever over dates.

BTW-SSally & I did not attend MM this year because of work conflicts & went crazy not being there & couldn't believe how much we missed it. We have already decided that we will not miss the nationals in Indy!!!!!

ISSCA #300

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Discussion Starter · #82 · Aug 1, 2005

"And our BOD and President don't have "coaches" like professional politicians to smooth off the rough edges. "

Civility generally isn't "coached", nor needs to be.

Although I know you aren't seeing the point on this issue, and we disagree, rest assured, I don't need to be coached to be civil to you the next time I see you, and treat you with the same courtesies as anybody else. Just as I have any other time we have disagreed in the past. It's old-fashioned coach-free courtesy.

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Discussion Starter · #83 · Aug 2, 2005

Hussker wrote:

Civility generally isn't "coached", nor needs to be.

Although I know you aren't seeing the point on this issue, and we disagree, rest assured, I don't need to be coached to be civil to you the next time I see you, and treat you with the same courtesies as anybody else. Just as I have any other time we have disagreed in the past. It's old-fashioned coach-free courtesy.

Are you saying that someone wasn't "civil"???
I wasn't aware anyone was being uncivil... if they were... that certianly isn't called for.

I don't know what issue there is that you think I don't see clearly... I think that I have understood everyone that has made a point so far.

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Discussion Starter · #84 · Aug 4, 2005

Well, I might as well throw my oppinion in here.

In short:

As I have said on other threads, the 4th of July is a terrible weekend. My wife doesn't want to spend her vacation at a car show, nor do my kids (yet). Our family ALWAYS has a huge get together on this day, no they wouldn't want to go to the national even.

If the majority of membership fees go to paying for the national event, why would ISSCA want to alienate a large majority of members? This will only serve to reduce renewals.

I agree with Doug, the best national event I have ever been to was hosted by GRAIL in St. Louis. Simply awesome in every way! Period. Schedule the next couple national events there and learn how it should be done!

When I worked at Fed Ex I was in charge of planning the company Christmas party every year. I did so with the assistance of one employee and every year was a success. What I learned was: dealing with the same companies every year and having the function at the same facility every year allowed the event to be more successful.
Easier to plan.
Cheaper as rates were locked in.
Service was more personable because I got to know the vendors.
Etc, etc, etc...

If I had the time I would volunteer to help structure the national event, but I can barely stay on top of orders so that isn't an option for me.

I would love to attend the national event every year, but as a vendor I have felt let down more and more every year to the point I no longer sponsor or donate to the event. But I do help with almost every other event I am invited to, weather I can make it there in person or not.

I also love the Magazine but I have cancelled my participation there as well. I'm paying to have an ad in it, and they are not published on time, and when they are sent out they are mailed two months together, why spend my money to advertise when it's old news or double the news? It just doesn't make sense.

ISSCA, are you listening? I hope this time you are. Good luck in resolving your problems.

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Discussion Starter · #85 · Aug 4, 2005

While I don't have a dog in this hunt - I do want to comment briefly...

Most the responses and back and forth have been extremely well put - well reasoned - and thought out...

some questions are waiting for answers...

but most of all....

I want to commend all of you for the PASSION you have for your club and your cars...

that are now 10 years old (or older)

It is simply............Amazing...

Same PASSION was exhibited over the discussion of inclusion of the W-bodies...

I want to thank all of you for fighting for your respective views and your club(s)...

It is encouraging to witness....

And my thanks to all who do contribute their time and their money - and drive all over the country like madmen...

To help their fellow Impala Brethren...

My hats off to you all...

and continue to stand for your principles - while embracing each other as brothers..

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Discussion Starter · #86 · Aug 17, 2005

From a LISST member in an email to the LISST Officers this week. Sorry for the caps I did a direct cut and paste:

JULY 4TH - INDEPENDENCE DAY - THE BIRTH OF OUR NATION. SHAME ON ISSCA.
THIS IS A DAY FOR US TO REFLECT UPON OUR NATION ESPECIALLY IN A TIME OF WAR. A DAY FOR PARADES & CELEBRATIONS HONORING THIS GREAT COUNTRY WE LIVE IN.
IT MAY SOUND CORNY BUT THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.

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Discussion Starter · #87 · Aug 17, 2005

THIS IS A DAY FOR US TO REFLECT UPON OUR NATION ESPECIALLY IN A TIME OF WAR. A DAY FOR PARADES & CELEBRATIONS HONORING THIS GREAT COUNTRY WE LIVE IN.

I partially agree with this statment... but where I live all of the organized parades and celebrations will be happening on the 1st and 2nd since the 4th is a Tuesday. I'm sure there will be places that will have their celebrations on Tuesday... but I would guess not many.

I've noticed several people refering to the "4th of July Weekend"... so I just want to point out again that it doesn't fall on a weekend in 2006. So, the 4th weekend in 2006 is actually the 1st and 2nd.

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Discussion Starter · #88 · Aug 17, 2005

Posted by Kahuna in another thread... thought I should reply here.

A. That's not true. There were other weekends available.

B. Still no one has answered my question that I have repeatedly asked. WOULD ISSCA SCHEDULE THE NATS VERSUS IMPALAFEST? Would they?

LISST Day is one of the Top 5 Biggest Impala events of the year. WHY MAKE MEMBERS MAKE A CHOICE?

C. Our ISSCA Directors told us they voted on approving INDY, never on any dates. So who decided?

A. What were the other times that these venues were available?? and where did you get your info?

B. No, ISSCA would not have Nationals over the top of ImpalaFest... but ImpalaFest is in October and Nats are always in the summer. But I know that wasn't your point.
What are the top 5 on your list of Impala events?
Do you mean in number of cars or in national draw appeal?

C. I thought it was already made clear that the date was "decided" upon by the availablilty of the venues.... and not by a vote of any kind.

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Discussion Starter · #89 · Aug 19, 2005

Now have an event on M.L.D Jr. day and you've hit deep into my heart and religion, (Christianity). Don't ever have an event on Martin Luther King Jr.' s B-day---national holiday--- because that is truly a day to mourn, celebrate, think, pray, and honor all those tender hearted souls such as MLK Jr. who sacrificed for all of us.

This year GNISSC even decided not to compete with ISSCA & tried to talk undecided people into going to MM instead of Carlisle. GNISSC was down some 23 cars from 2004 & that is directly due to MM being close in date & its location.

If the majority of membership fees go to paying for the national event, why would ISSCA want to alienate a large majority of members? This will only serve to reduce renewals.

I would love to attend the national event every year, but as a vendor I have felt let down more and more every year to the point I no longer sponsor or donate to the event. But I do help with almost every other event I am invited to, weather I can make it there in person or not.

I also love the Magazine but I have cancelled my participation there as well. I'm paying to have an ad in it, and they are not published on time, and when they are sent out they are mailed two months together, why spend my money to advertise when it's old news or double the news? It just doesn't make sense.

OK, Time for my .02.

1rst quote from Karl

Are you kidding! You feel MLK day takes precedence over the 4th of July as a national holiday, c'mon! Yes, indeed, a national holiday, but more important than the birth of this great nation, I don't think so.

2nd quote from Tony & SSally. How gracious of them to inform people that if they had never attended a national event before, that they should attend MM instead of going to Carlisle, an event they have done since before the inception of ISSCA. I think that's about as gracious as you can get.

By the way, if you want to see a well run show, come to the GM Nats. My 1rst year was 2003 & I've made it in '04 & '05. I also will be there in '06, then take a week to help out with LISST Drag Day preparations, sending of emails, picking up trophies that will be made, etc.., whatever my club needs me to do. That's where my priorities lie, not worrying about a national event to attend a week before all the planning involved in our Drag Day. Have you forgotten this is all about the children of our charities that might receive less due to this? As BK said, our event has grown to the point that we now have almost 5 G's to donate this year. What can be more noble than that?

3rd quote from Dan Ferraro, right on Dan!! I'm questioning my renewal as I'm writing this.

I believe Joe Pag's (BEASST Pres) wrote in a previous post that you can start at the Empire State building, drive 100 miles in either direction, & hit a different NE club. You won't find that in the west. In fact Pag's stood up at dinner in Carlisle which 38 of us attended this year (55 last year, I wonder why, oh I'm sorry for being sarcastic) that what a close knit family we have grown to become(the NE clubs) due to the events we've shared over the years. I knew of BADASS, TRI-9, UNYISSO, the Canadian crew(Norm), POSSI, BEASST, RAISSE, WAIL, before I ever heard of ISSCA. I joined ISSCA last year because I was informed you had to be a member to attend MM. As the event grew closer, circumstances prevented me from attending, number 1 being I took a long weekend for Carlisle with an added Hershey trip beforehand. Sometimes you have to appease the family too if making this a "vacation" Try telling a 12 year old she'll be at a car show for 3 days. Shame on ISSCA, too many events too close together.
Perhaps we should start our own NE national club. At least we'll have communication. Oh well, my $.02 is done

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Discussion Starter · #90 · Aug 19, 2005

Karl,
Joe Guercio is our LISST secretary. You can see his name by clicking on his profile in his post.

Just like you feel he is puking on your convictions, Joe feels the same way. The passion for our local club runs deep, just like your passion for the national club runs deep.

Rustic,
I got that info from Bill Harper himself and also Rick Matthews posted about it on the ISSCA Club Leaders Distro that the July 17 week was available but we might have to share the venue with the Ford Falcon club. (Tell me we couldn't kick the wimpy Falcon owners asses if they got in the way?) EDIT: FOR THOSE HUMOR CHALLENGED THAT WAS A JOKE!

Karl is right about one thing. We are going to rip this thing apart if some changes aren't made soon.

Your pal,

BK

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Discussion Starter · #91 · Aug 19, 2005

Originally posted by Big Kahuna:
We are going to rip this thing apart if some changes aren't made soon.

Your pal,

BK

Yep, once again ISSCA has let me down.

I will always spend the 4th of July blowing things up and drinking the beer with my good friends. And damnit, I will not let that be my car blowing up again. Sorry, I will not be attending.

Mav

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Discussion Starter · #92 · Aug 19, 2005

Originally posted by MadMav:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Big Kahuna:
We are going to rip this thing apart if some changes aren't made soon....

Yep, once again ISSCA has let me down. </font>[/QUOTE]Guys.....and gals......

The '06 Nat's timing was unfortunate.....but it's not some great American tragedy

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I think this issue has been over-dramatized

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If you....like myself....are unable to attend, Get Over It, Already

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Chances are, we'll see each other at the '07 Nat's

!!!!!!!

KW

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Discussion Starter · #93 · Aug 19, 2005

ThankSS Bill,
But I can fight my own battles.
Karl,
I wasn't puking on your religous beliefs. I'm a Christian too. What got me is that you think MLK day is a more important day to this great nation of ours than our own birth & independence as a nation, pplleezz, don't make me puke again. Martin Luther King was a peace activist & campaigner for civil rights. What's that got to do with your religious beliefs? No wonder why you think LISST's toes were not stepped on. You will attend an event on the 4th of July, but heaven forbid someone schedules an event on MLK day? Then, you'll be a no show. It can't be just me that finds this ridiculous, again only my $.02 worth.
By the way, as Bill said, click on my profile & you'll find my name. I guess I'll update my signature so you won't have to make that extra click. Do you really think I care if you ignore my posts or myself. I'll try not to lose sleep.
Joe Guercio
LISST Secretary 2004-05
ISSCA # 1797

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Discussion Starter · #94 · Aug 19, 2005

All I know is next June I'll be at Carlisle with maybe a road course there & an 1/8 mile nearby, not to mention the go kart track within walking distance to the Quality Inn on Harrisburg Pike where we stayed this year(talk about some fun!!!). Tony & SSally already informed us we have another block of rooms reserved there for next year already under the GNISSC club banner. It should be a fantastic weekend, then on to LISST's 9th annual Drag Day on the 8th.
Like previous posts, whoever can make it, will make it. It's just a shame people will have to choose

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Discussion Starter · #95 · Aug 28, 2005

I'm looking forward to observing Independence Day somewhere other than the same place I do it every year.

It will be nice to see the celebration from a different perspective than I'm used to here at home (one year George W. Bush was the Grand Marshall of our local parade [I have pictures]).

However, in my case, it doesn't conflict with other Impala events that I might attend, so the date chosen is no problem.

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Discussion Starter · #96 · Aug 28, 2005

Doesnt conflict with me either but what is a NATIONAL B-Body event without several of its charter clubs due to their own long standing events? I mean it would be one thing if we were huge and even if we lost half our cars we were still over 300

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