[gbhs72]

Hey Stick, You made me go look and I learned something. :smile2: I didn't know the wagon rear LCA were different than the sedan. https://www.metcomotorsports.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MCA0012&cat=112 Also it may help to look at the sway bar in the pic.

Mark: snowman-33

 

[Fix Until Broke]

Hey Stick, You made me go look and I learned something. :smile2: I didn't know the wagon rear LCA were different than the sedan. https://www.metcomotorsports.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MCA0012&cat=112 Also it may help to look at the sway bar in the pic.

Mark: snowman-33

Is the Metco wagon LCA different than the sedan LCA by just the sway bar mounting? The pictures look visibly different in where the sway bar mounts fore/aft, but both look like they mount to the bottom of the LCA. If the wagon is 2" wider than the sedan (both frame and LCA mounting points on the axle) - how does the sedan RSB mount to the wagon LCA's here?

Sedan

Wagon

I was under the (possibly incorrect) assumption that I could use any "Impala SS" upper/lower rear control arms on a wagon. The lowers might be spaced wider, but the control arms themselves were the same. Can anyone confirm?

Sorry if this is getting a bit off topic for the crown vic RSB thread...

 

[gbhs72]

F U B, I hope you're ok with that. Anyway. I didn't know there was a difference either. I wanted to post it for you and others when this comes up. And it will. It also shows whats involved when modding a car. Lots of variables. Rear widths, brakes, pinions, sway bars & control arms.

Sorry if this is getting a bit off topic for the crown vic RSB thread... I see this as an in person conversation. One small comment can change direction. It may not be PC for here but such is life.

Mark: Snowman-33

 

[96 Black]

Different sway bar wagon v. sedan and now LCAs too? Years ago I had a guy with a wagon tell me they are the same. Obviously he hadn't changed his out. lol Mark, sure enough that link shows diff part nos (0001 - 0012). Now if I ken jus keep from forgotting anything I knew yesterday I'll be net ahead for the day. cwm4
Mr. -broke, those Metcos new are scary price Yikes. You might hunt here in FS. I got mine for the Cady that way.

 

[Fix Until Broke]

F U B, I hope you're ok with that. Anyway. I didn't know there was a difference either. I wanted to post it for you and others when this comes up. And it will. It also shows whats involved when modding a car. Lots of variables. Rear widths, brakes, pinions, sway bars & control arms.

Sorry if this is getting a bit off topic for the crown vic RSB thread... I see this as an in person conversation. One small comment can change direction. It may not be PC for here but such is life.

Mark: Snowman-33

Different sway bar wagon v. sedan and now LCAs too? Years ago I had a guy with a wagon tell me they are the same. Obviously he hadn't changed his out. lol Mark, sure enough that link shows diff part nos (0001 - 0012). Now if I ken jus keep from forgotting anything I knew yesterday I'll be net ahead for the day. cwm4
Mr. -broke, those Metcos new are scary price Yikes. You might hunt here in FS. I got mine for the Cady that way.

Thanks guys - looks like I need to round up a sedan to get on the hoist as well - by the time we're done with this, we'll have all the sedan vs wagon vs commercial chassis stuff figured out!

 

[gbhs72]

Thanks guys - looks like I need to round up a sedan to get on the hoist as well - by the time we're done with this, we'll have all the sedan vs wagon vs commercial chassis stuff figured out!

Will we care by that time? I heard we only have twelve years. >
F U B PM sent.

Mark: Snowman-33

 

[95wagon]

The production arms are the same , wagon and sedan in a given time period.

At one point sedans where tearing arms at sway bar mounting areas and GM made a change to the mounting arangement to a more robust mounting.

Not sure if it was a bulletin or a real recall.

I believe they made a running change and all cars got them , even the wagon that never had a rear bar .

My 95 had its arms changed under warrenty for some reason and got the newer style, even though it made no difference to a non sway bar wagon.

As i recall , the metco wagon specific arm is so you can use the narrow sedan bar by siding it forward to a narrower area of the arm to arm postion.

 

[Fix Until Broke]

Will we care by that time? I heard we only have twelve years. >
F U B PM sent.

Mark: Snowman-33

I must have missed that movie? sorry...PM replied

The production arms are the same , wagon and sedan in a given time period.

At one point sedans where tearing arms at sway bar mounting areas and GM made a change to the mounting arrangement to a more robust mounting.

Not sure if it was a bulletin or a real recall.

I believe they made a running change and all cars got them , even the wagon that never had a rear bar .

My 95 had its arms changed under warranty for some reason and got the newer style, even though it made no difference to a non sway bar wagon.

As i recall , the metco wagon specific arm is so you can use the narrow sedan bar by sliding it forward to a narrower area of the arm to arm position.

Whew - thanks for confirming sedan/wagon LCR's are the same, one less thing to worry about. The reasoning behind the Metco wagon arm makes sense - Thanks for the recollection! I wonder if the Metco wagon RSB solution changes the effectiveness of the RSB? Closer to the frame will have less motion for the same axle travel so effectively making the same RSB less effective?

However a wagon specific RSB would be wider (assuming same mounting on the LCA's...) so more material to deflect for the same axle movement so it would be less effective as well - All assuming the same bar diameter.

 

[96 Black]

Yah, thanks Gerry. I'm slightly more unconfused now. There was a bit of opticular illusion going on with the pics before - it appeared by the ribbing that one bar is longer than the other. It's just the added 3rd hole and its reinforcement rib on an otherwise same-length bar. I didn't go back to check what that little trick adds to cost. And I've never heard of Metco as an option for wagons to use any sedan bar. Wagon guys to this day keep hoping about a new production run by whatever co. had made one aftermarket = Hotchkis? Vogtland? Something?

Is the Metco wagon LCA different than the sedan LCA by just the sway bar mounting? The pictures look visibly different in where the sway bar mounts fore/aft, but both look like they mount to the bottom of the LCA. If the wagon is 2" wider than the sedan (both frame and LCA mounting points on the axle) - how does the sedan RSB mount to the wagon LCA's here?

Sedan

Wagon

I was under the (possibly incorrect) assumption that I could use any "Impala SS" upper/lower rear control arms on a wagon. The lowers might be spaced wider, but the control arms themselves were the same. Can anyone confirm?

Sorry if this is getting a bit off topic for the crown vic RSB thread...

Yep, Gerry confirmed. And I think you/he done good for other stiff options for them wagon guys since the CV 21mm bar sounds like it's gone unicorn.

 

[95wagon]

While I agree a bar independent of the rear arms is a better method, I am still running the old 1.25 solid hotchkis i bought about 18 years ago.
Better arms though ?

 

[The Stickman]

Hey Stick, You made me go look and I learned something. :smile2: I didn't know the wagon rear LCA were different than the sedan. https://www.metcomotorsports.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MCA0012&cat=112 Also it may help to look at the sway bar in the pic.

Mark: snowman-33

That is my sway bar in the pic, LOL. Metco asked if they could use pics of my set up.

 

[The Stickman]

Is the Metco wagon LCA different than the sedan LCA by just the sway bar mounting? The pictures look visibly different in where the sway bar mounts fore/aft, but both look like they mount to the bottom of the LCA. If the wagon is 2" wider than the sedan (both frame and LCA mounting points on the axle) - how does the sedan RSB mount to the wagon LCA's here?

Sedan

Wagon

I was under the (possibly incorrect) assumption that I could use any "Impala SS" upper/lower rear control arms on a wagon. The lowers might be spaced wider, but the control arms themselves were the same. Can anyone confirm?

Sorry if this is getting a bit off topic for the crown vic RSB thread...

The only difference in Metco's control arms is the sway bar mounts. Notice the wagon LCAs have three mounting holes. The forward two are to mount a sedan bar. And using the rear two allows you to use an aftermarket wagon bar.. And yes you can use any LCA on a wagon. But Metco is the only manufacturer to allow a wagon owner to use a sedan bar.


Metco LCA no bar. 1st pic


Metco LCA sedan bar. 2nd and 3rd pic


Metco LCA with Navy Lifer Group buy 1.5 inch solid bar. I call it my tail hook. 4th, 5th and 6th pic.

 

[The Stickman]

Different sway bar wagon v. sedan and now LCAs too? Years ago I had a guy with a wagon tell me they are the same. Obviously he hadn't changed his out. lol Mark, sure enough that link shows diff part nos (0001 - 0012). Now if I ken jus keep from forgotting anything I knew yesterday I'll be net ahead for the day. cwm4
Mr. -broke, those Metcos new are scary price Yikes. You might hunt here in FS. I got mine for the Cady that way.

LCA's are the same. The reason Metco's have a wagon specific LCA is because it allows wagon owners the ability to mount a sedan swaybar.

 

[The Stickman]

Thanks guys - looks like I need to round up a sedan to get on the hoist as well - by the time we're done with this, we'll have all the sedan vs wagon vs commercial chassis stuff figured out!

Well if you want to complicate things there was a Commercial chassis specific rear LCA




https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinf...Ow5cVR89bOK0CDCa6xZvXGsNzQHPswVOmGoREJbpN3BTM

 

[95wagon]

Thanks for clearing that up for us.
Nice spacers

Different sway bar wagon v. sedan and now LCAs too? Years ago I had a guy with a wagon tell me they are the same. Obviously he hadn't changed his out. lol Mark, sure enough that link shows diff part nos (0001 - 0012). Now if I ken jus keep from forgotting anything I knew yesterday I'll be net ahead for the day.

Mr. -broke, those Metcos new are scary price Yikes. You might hunt here in FS. I got mine for the Cady that way.

LCA's are the same. The reason Metco's have a wagon specific LCA is because it allows wagon owners the ability to mount a sedan swaybar.

 

[gbhs72]

That is my sway bar in the pic, LOL. Metco asked if they could use pics of my set up.

And then there was light. I've learned so much about a couple hunks of metal with some holes in them. It's been an interesting journey.
Thanks Stick......

Mark: Snowman-33

 

[The Stickman]

Yah, thanks Gerry. I'm slightly more unconfused now. There was a bit of opticular illusion going on with the pics before - it appeared by the ribbing that one bar is longer than the other. It's just the added 3rd hole and its reinforcement rib on an otherwise same-length bar. I didn't go back to check what that little trick adds to cost. And I've never heard of Metco as an option for wagons to use any sedan bar. Wagon guys to this day keep hoping about a new production run by whatever co. had made one aftermarket = Hotchkis? Vogtland? Something?






Yep, Gerry confirmed. And I think you/he done good for other stiff options for them wagon guys since the CV 21mm bar sounds like it's gone unicorn.

I have been telling people about using a sedan bar on Metco's for ages. But that was some time ago.

 

[The Stickman]

And then there was light. I've learned so much about a couple hunks of metal with some holes in them. It's been an interesting journey.
Thanks Stick......

Mark: Snowman-33

Here to help.

 

[Alpha_numeric44]

 

[Alpha_numeric44]

Worked great for me.. thanks OP!