Well, this is crap!!!

Lance,

I answered your question in the other thread. If there's any more info you need, let me know.


Mav,

Your spouse/girlfriend and or kids are always welcome to attend as guests. They can, and are more than welcome to take advantage of the event as much as they can. After all, if the wife/girlfriend etc are happy, so are you.

I don't know the exact resons for the guest conditions, they were written before I was elected, but I do know that they are not meant to
exclude any one group, ie MISSL, or anyone member, you don't have a bullseye on your chest.

Some of the reasons already stated in this post are valid presumptions as to why they were enacted. Some aren't.

As far as I am concerned if you want to attend the event and bring your vehicle with you, you can pony up and register for the event and you are more than welcome. If you want to go as a guest, bring your vehicle, take space that an ISSCA member could be using, and not want to pay to be there, there needed to be something to stop you. These conditions are them.

If you feel that these conditions are unfair and by accepting them and registering you will be sacrificing your morals or standards, then I will offer you this deal.

I'll pay for your base registration, If you want to compete then the competition license is on you.
The only exception I will make, is you cannot bring any guests other than a wife or girlfriend.

So what do you say Mav?

Don't want to get you all fired up Gene, but what can I do. I never said you were the cause, but can you give me any other reason for this to have be instituted? I see no other.

Paul, you said....

As far as I am concerned if you want to attend the event and bring your vehicle with you, you can pony up and register for the event and you are more than welcome. If you want to go as a guest, bring your vehicle, take space that an ISSCA member could be using, and not want to pay to be there, there needed to be something to stop you. These conditions are them.

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I agree! If you want to bring a vehicle, then you need to be a member. Otherwise you would be taking up vital member space. My situation did not qualify as this. I was simply going to go as a friends guest. I probably would not have my SS there, but still wanted to hand out, chat with the fellows and watch some racing. Now I cannot do this anymore. Nowhere did it state wife or girlfriend, it simply said guest. I have even seen "friends" as guests in the past.

It's not about the money Paul, and I really do appreciate your offer. Your help in these situations has been great, and I do see the club getting better in the future. Maybe I'm just rushing it, and taking it too personal.
Thanks,
Mav

Kelly,

Do you have a specific question or concern? If so I'd like to hear it.

or are you just throwing out non specific accusations for the sake of getting a reaction?

If the latter, my involvement ends here and have a nice Day.


Mav,

The offer still stands. I know it's not about the money. If there is anything else you guys need, email me and I WILL find out for you.

Paul Roswell
Region 10 Director
ISSCA Treasurer

"you silly man,.. you're not even smart enough to see when the finger is being pointed at you, you and mav are the usual suspects,. "all is crap,. woe is us, we're poor hard done by mistreated paranoid members who want so bad to be loved and paid attention to,we want to belong but not to this mess,.. waaah!oh look we're soo happy we found something else to bitch about,.(your 15 mins is almost up)
and good old kelly,can be counted on to add to the drama too,. that makes you three the three amigo's..
Don't worry about me and my paranoia,. it's medically controlled,. "

I really don't see where you work me into this, would you care to fill me in, or are you busy dreaming up more b-movie titles?

I think you need some more medication.

EDIT: I had an idea where you were going with your "clever" movie references, I was just curious to see if you were foolish enough to elaborate. Thanks for answering.

OK I'm not a ISSCA member and NONE of my 100 club members are either so if you don't want to read this none members view please skip to the next post ..

I'm confessed here so If I've got it wrong please enlighten me ..

Did I read this right? you now have to be a member of ISSCA to go to the Nationals? I thought ISSCA was to be " for the people by the people " to unit the Impala community? just how is this uniting anyone? .. sounds like segregation to me ISSCA in, everyone else out ..
Before you start telling me that this is fair ; how does this sound?

Everyone going to "Daytona" next week has to Join GOFASST; .. That will be $25 extra
Everyone going to "SSHS5" has to Join GASSIT; (if they hold it again) that will be $25 Extra
Everyone going to "The Home Coming" has to Join HOSS; that will be another $24 extra please
THESE FEES ARE CLUB DUES ONLY! ALL OTHER FEES / ADMISSION / ARE EXTRA!


1997 Bowling Green / ( NAISSO event ) membership not required
1998 Atlanta / The Gathering ( NAISSO event ) membership not required
1999 Bowling Green ( NAISSO event ) membership not required
2000 St. Louis ( ISSCA event ) membership not required
2001 Detroit( ISSCA event ) membership not required?
2002 St. Louis ( ISSCA event ) membership required?
2003 Tulsa ( ISSCA event ) membership required?
2004 Vegas ( ISSCA event ) membership required?
2005 Pocono ( ISSCA event ) membership required !

How is this uniting us? It sounds like you want everyone to Join ISSCA and what do they need with the local club? by joining ISSCA you don't automatically get membership to the local club (charter or not ) you have to Join that one too .. Now you belong to two Clubs .. I'm not getting this . and if what I posted above was fair and you went to 3 events in one year you could have to JOIN 5 CLUBS just to attend.

I go to events all over the place put on by other car clubs and if you're not a member there is an extra $5 or $10 charger (sometimes) but you are still very welcome .. this sounds like if you're not a member of ISSCA you are no longer welcome .. I don't see this uniting the Impala community ..
someone please explain this to me, I know I'm not the sharpest tack in the box but this is starting to upset me .. I'm with you on this one Mav.

Kenny

Originally posted by Area51Perf:
Do you have a specific question or concern? If so I'd like to hear it.

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Actually I do, But it mostly revolves around this whole uncomfortable 'what if drunk old Uncle Bob shows' up kinda mentality. What to do about resigned members, terminated members, etc.

Rather than face the repercussions of whats happened, its easier to just start wholesale banning groups from showing up it seems. And you can make all the barbs at me that you like Paul, but it doesn't change the fact that ISSCA's actions to date have caused a LOT of repercussionsthat no one seems to be willing to acknowledge. I think Mav's questions and concerns are very legitimate.

I was about thicslose to pulling the trigger and joining ISSCA when the whole MISSL debacle started, so if you think 'this doesn't concern kelly', you're wrong, because if your alienating 1 potential member, I'd bet there are more that are just as concerned.

Originally posted by MadMav:
Your defense is nothing but simple bickering aimed at a "ranting non-member" and a longtime member with serious concerns. Good for you.

Mav

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you have a point there mav,, it gets annoying doesn't it,. kinda like reading the heading to this topic,. was there any need to word it in such a negative dramatic way? guaranteed to start a conflict of sorts,.even your location has changed from germany to the top of issca's sht list.(i personally rate you only #5)
i don't doubt for 1 minute your hearts in the right place,i just question your motives for delivering the message in the manner you choose,.

Kenny i also see your point about the monetary side of attending local club events,. but financially the local clubs survive on their dues and massive amounts of dedicated volunteer work,.
How would you suggest paying for a national event of the size and magnitudes that they are now?
perhaps just like some consumers you can be tricked, by a buy it now 1 time low price, "all inclusive",.
Inmho i think the national club needs to be supported so these events can take place,.
To me personally i'm looking forward to the drive there,and a chance to meet and greet some of the names on this forum,and to participate in some freindly competion with the car and a chance to "drive it like i stole it" in a properly sanctioned enviroment,.
i think also that the local clubs can have their functions insured by the association to issca thru their respective charters, i'm not 100% sure on this, but i do think that is a big cost to any gathering,.plus i will continue recieving the magazine which is getting better all the time,
(hope my car makes it in there someday)
and at the national events, there are usually some great give aways,.isn't there a discount on car rentals in there somewhere too?
Plus the issca forum will become a members only forum, then any bickering like this will only be done by guys that are crazy enough to pay to do it,.
nick

I go to events all over the place put on by other car clubs and if you're not a member there is an extra $5 or $10 charger (sometimes) but you are still very welcome .. this sounds like if you're not a member of ISSCA you are no longer welcome .. I don't see this uniting the Impala community ..

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I have discussed this with people before... and I don't understand why EVERYONE doesn't see this clearly.
Let's say you don't have to join ISSCA to attend Nationals... that's fine, but it won't change the price. Would it make a difference to you if GASSIT charged $75 for anyone to attend or $50 for members and $50 for non-members plus $25 for a membership??? To me it makes no difference.

This reminds me of a friend who still rents instead of buying a house... he says... "this way I don't have to pay real estate taxes!" You're still paying for it, it's factored into the rent!! ... it just SEEMS different.

ISSCA wants to grow as a club.... a National Event is a great recruiting tool. If you don't want to be a member I'm sure you can be removed from the member list after the event. But, I feel the membership is a BENEFIT of attending the event... not a deterrent.