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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-03-2016, 05:02 PM Thread Starter
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Steering shaft rag joint

Why exactly was it implemented? I removed the steering box today since the engine and transmission are out. I tried adjusting it and followed some instructions I found here but contrary to what it was said, I was not able to turn the shaft with my fingers passed the 30 or 40 deg angle, or it was very hard. So hopefully I did not adjust it too tight. We'll see this summer. If I move the steering wheel there is still about 1 in of play on each side.

So I was looking into that Jeep shaft but I'd rather not spend money, I have a very small budget that I'd rather spend on torque converter, springs, finish my exhaust and get all the necessary parts to have a parking brake on the rear discs.

So after saying all that I wanted to ask your opinions on a modification I had in mind on the rag joint. Can't we just tackweld shims between both halves of the rag joint in order to take the slack out of it?
Anything wrong with that? I have to admit I did not take a thorough look at it because I was in a hurry. It's just a thought that occured to me after I got home


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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-04-2016, 07:52 AM
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You really should have an FSM. The box sounds like you did not adjust it properly. You need an inch/lb. torque wrench to do it right. Both the bearing plate and the top screw need to be adjusted correctly. I posted the info directly from the FSM a while ago, so if you can find it using the search function, it is correct. If you can not turn the top screw, you need to figure out how to free it, so you can adjust the mesh.

As far as the rag joint, you can not weld the parts together or it will probably bind up, or put undue pressure on the steering box input shaft. It is made to be flexible for misalignment purposes. You can get a rag joint rebuild kit from your local parts store. It requires that you drill out the four rivets, and replace them with bolts, and a new "rag" disk.

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Thanks for the reply. I did not mean to weld them together, but to weld some shims to reduce the gap between the two halves while still retaining some play for misalignment. But the best thing to do is to get the proper shaft.

For the box I think that the play is removed. If I put some shims in the ragjoint to simulate it asbeing solid the slack is gone. But I'll check it again just to make sure it's not too tight now. I have the FSM but for my Cadillac Brougham. Should be similar


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Thanks for the reply. I did not mean to weld them together, but to weld some shims to reduce the gap between the two halves while still retaining some play for misalignment. But the best thing to do is to get the proper shaft.

For the box I think that the play is removed. If I put some shims in the ragjoint to simulate it asbeing solid the slack is gone. But I'll check it again just to make sure it's not too tight now. I have the FSM but for my Cadillac Brougham. Should be similar


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Yeah well' I'll probably have to get that Jeep shaft soon. just need to make sure on my 1987 Brougham it`s the same length as the one on the B bodies.
I do have the FSM for my car, I was lucky to pay it about 10 dollars.

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Why exactly was it implemented?...
The rag joint was used to reduce NVH and allow for some movement between the body-mounted steering column and chassis-mounted steering gear.

To reduce steering play, you'd need to reduce the clearance between the pins and their corresponding clearance slots. Simply welding washers to between the two halves to replace the rubber coupling would not be advised.

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Apparently for my 1987 Brougham the steering shaft is longer than the one on the Impalas. So if I use a Jeep steering shaft it will probably need to be modified. I was told the Jeep steering shaft is about 2 in too short.


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I removed the steering box again over the week-end to go over the adjustment.
The only problem is that I did not know what tool to use over the stub but a 12 point 11/16 socket seemed to work more or less.

What I wanted to add is that the instructions I saw on the web call for tightening the shaft between 6 to 10 in*lb. But my manual says 6 to 10 in*lb MORE than whatever torque it takes to turn the shaft when the adjustement is completely loosened.


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That is 6-10 in. lbs. more.

When you are adjusting the worm gear preload, make sure that you have rotated the shaft clockwise to pull the shaft as far into the box as it will go. If you turn it counterclockwise, the shaft will try to push itself out of the box, and you will not get a correct preload.

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Thanks for that detail.


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