This my true "Dream Front End Chassis Brace" from SC&C - Chevy Impala SS Forum
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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 03-21-2016, 06:16 PM Thread Starter
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This my true "Dream Front End Chassis Brace" from SC&C

I actually thought about contacting Choo to fab up a copy of his frame rail/steering brace as Chicagoareabmx had done. It looked really sturdy from the pictures on his chassis strengthening thread, but I was concerned that it might take up too much real estate in the front of the engine. I going to do a twin turbo LS conversion in the future and I was worried that his brace might take room down there that I might need for the extra piping, bigger radiators or intercoolers and such. So this brace from Pro-Touring F-Body seemed such a ready made, inexpensive and least intrusive solution.

But see below for my "dream front end/steering brace" from Savitske Classic & Custom (SC&C). You see it is a triangulated brace that attaches to the engine cradle and the two front frame horns. SC&C makes them for the '64-'67 A-Body, the '68-'72 A-Body and the '78-'87 G-Body, which is known as a real wet noodle of a frame among all of GM's Body-on-Frame chassis'.

Navy Lifer has lobbying the owner Mark Savitske for years to make one up for the '77-'96 Body for years now to no avail. Here is a link to the one for the popular '68-'72 A-Body: http://scandc.com/new/node/996.

Who knows maybe we can rustle up some demand and interest among us hardcore autocrossers and track day road course drivers?

Well here is a description of the brace from the SC&C website:

"SC&C Heavy Duty Chassis Brace"

"GM didn't dot all their I's and cross all their T's when they built the A body chassis (Chevelle, GS, 442, Etc.). The front frame horns were left without a crossmember and the bumper can't do the job. The result is a frame that deflects under heavy loads and a steering box that's hanging out there imparting all it's steering load on just one frame rail. SC&C's heavy duty tubular chassis brace fixes that factory oversight. It bolts under the chassis with large 1.25" diameter, 120" wall 1026 steel tubing welded into a triangulated and gusseted structure that ties the two frame rails firmly together. You'll notice an instant improvement in steering response, chassis stiffness, handling, and a welcome reduction in squeaks and rattles. Includes mounting hardware and instructions."
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post #2 of 25 (permalink) Old 03-22-2016, 06:45 AM
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This does pretty good to display various oem G- and A- reinforcements:
https://gbodyforum.com/threads/f41-a...cs-added.8126/

The combination of F-41 option 'jounce bars' and the 'Grand Prix Cross Brace' are close facsimile to the aftermarket brace. All Monte Carlo SS'es (and I've learned all Cutlasses) have the jounce bars, but based on all the discussion of the Wonder Bar' I'll be hunting to add that GP Bar to my Monte. Then, if practical, I can run it to a welder to lock everything together.

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Another option

http://umiperformance.com/catalog/in...roducts_id=999


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I like this brace as an option too. The frames are very similar to our car, I wonder how far off dimensionally it is from not just bolting up to our frames? If Bill has been looking into this with the vendor, I would assume there must be a good size difference that these would not also bolt to our cars. Maybe someone can do some comparison measurements and see.

UMI has and account here, I'll send this thread link to them and see what they can share.

Edit - not sure how often they are here, but I just sent "UMI Performance" a PM to see if their GBody bar might fit or if they would consider making one that would. I have their control arms and they seem to make pretty good products. Attached a link to this thread and we'lll see if they respond. If not, maybe you could follow up with them directly.

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Wow!! Jim I really like that UMI brace! It has got a really wide plate for mounting on the engine cradle and a crossmember that directly connects the front frame horns.

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I like this brace as an option too. The frames are very similar to our car, I wonder how far off dimensionally it is from not just bolting up to our frames? If Bill has been looking into this with the vendor, I would assume there must be a good size difference that these would not also bolt to our cars. Maybe someone can do some comparison measurements and see.

UMI has and account here, I'll send this thread link to them and see what they can share.

Edit - not sure how often they are here, but I just sent "UMI Performance" a PM to see if their GBody bar might fit or if they would consider making one that would. I have their control arms and they seem to make pretty good products. Attached a link to this thread and we'lll see if they respond. If not, maybe you could follow up with them directly.
The G-Body is pretty much a 7/8ths scale B-Body, so this brace will be too small in every measurement for our cars.

Best bet is if they make a 2nd Gen F-Body version of the brace, and we can jump on that bandwagon.

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I like this brace as an option too. The frames are very similar to our car, I wonder how far off dimensionally it is from not just bolting up to our frames? If Bill has been looking into this with the vendor, I would assume there must be a good size difference that these would not also bolt to our cars. Maybe someone can do some comparison measurements and see.

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The Monte's jounce bars are bent of course to clear mechanics, but the straight line bolt center-center is 26". The straight line bolt spread for a GP cross brace (using the graphic in my link above) and using the jounce bar's forward mounts, would be 40 3/4".

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So much for that idea. . Maybe UMI will step up and make something similar that would work on our cars...id get one.

If not, the wonder bar for the FBody would be a good option.

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I heard back from UMI and they mentioned a few others contacted them as well about doing this.

Good News - Sounds like they are considering it. Said they have a Caprice wagon in their Lot and were going to look at possibly doing this. No promises but at least they are willing to consider it...."Fingers Crossed"

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I heard back from UMI and they mentioned a few others contacted them as well about doing this.

Good News - Sounds like they are considering it. Said they have a Caprice wagon in their Lot and were going to look at possibly doing this. No promises but at least they are willing to consider it...."Fingers Crossed"
UMI probably already knows this, but it doesn’t hurt to mention it to them, the 1977 to 1996 B-Body front suspension is effectively interchangeable with the 2nd Gen F-Body. This is why control arms, sway bars and the Wonder Bar fit both chassis.

If this brace is developed for our B-Body, then it will also be useful for the F-Body owners looking for an upgrade. The pool of F-Body customers is significantly larger than B-Body customers, and would represent a better return on UMI's R&D investment over a B-Body only item.

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