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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-10-2002, 03:51 PM
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OK i am gonna start this again. I have another bad moog idler arm, This is my 4th idler arm in 21,000 miles!!!What th hell is up with that. I am glad to say that they have a waranty, but i am sick of changing it. Has an one else had similar problems with the moog junk idler arm's. I think i might get a GM one.

Buy the way the vehice is lowered via, HR's and greased every 2K wth mobil one greese. ANYONE have any input???????????? [img].gif[/img]
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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-10-2002, 08:22 PM
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wise guy--

You say the Moog idler is "bad"--define what you mean. I don't think this part is prone to "failure", so I think it will be helpful to understand what the problem is that leads you to the conclusion that the Moog idler is junk....do you have a black cloud over your head?
post #3 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-10-2002, 08:52 PM
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To add Bills's comments:
1)What specifically is the problem you are experiencing?
2) Are you sure this is a "real" MOOG part?
The P/N should be K6187 and it should have PROBLEM SOLVER stamped in the plate around the grease zerk.

I would be very surprised if these were "failing" I have run nothing but MOOG brand steering components on over a dozen
cars for better than 15 years with NO PROBLEMS - I wouldn't run anything else!

I would recommend staying away from the factory part - it is a screw thread type, and "by design" it will have more play han a MOOG ball and socket type of joint.

Unless your car is lowered to the point that the steering linkage is binding (you need to verify)it should not cause the excellerated wear you seem to be experiencing.
 
post #4 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-10-2002, 08:53 PM
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That's odd. [img]3.gif[/img]
post #5 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-11-2002, 06:18 PM
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My pep boys idler lasted 2 years and looks VERY similar to the moog.

A Wise Guy hey?

TAD out
post #6 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-11-2002, 06:30 PM
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I actually recieved a bad idler arm from the impalass superstore. Fortunely my car was under warranty and all my front end parts got replaced by Ostrom's chevorlet. I got a new idler arm, inner and outer tie rods and a new center link. Maybe having worn out inner and outer tire rods caused the idler arm to fail, not real sure, but just glad it was fixed. No problems since.
post #7 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-11-2002, 07:18 PM
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Well whe i say BAD i mean more then 1/4" vertical movement in the joint(duh), and the only black cloud over my head is the rain clouds(i am from chicago), Also i am running the moog 6187T Problem solver(??????) I actualy like moog products, i used to instal many every day when i was in a full service shop, but I am getting very tired at changing these damn idler arms, I guess they have a quality control concern, and i keep getting screwed, thanks for your input, Dave [img].gif[/img]
post #8 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-11-2002, 08:16 PM
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Hey BadaSS
How much did the replacement cost you? I was thinking of doing it myself, then bringing the car to the shop for alignment. But if the Chevy/GM dealership have a fair charge, I might consider having them done at the shop instead.
post #9 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-11-2002, 10:29 PM
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When you say 1/4 inch movement, what are you using to pry it? If you have a ten-foot bar anything is gonna move! Also just cause it moves up and down a bit does not necessarily cause a problem. If the tie rods are at great angles to the ground because of your ride height more load will be put into the idler pivot. In this case accelerated wear could occur and the angularity will make the toe change as the idler moves up and down. If the tie rods are near parallel to the center link minor vertical movement at the idler will not cause any real grief.
You say you are an Audi WA tech, so you know all about bump steer and tie rod heights (love that goofy Audi tie rod height fixture) Try setting up the car on the alignment rack and see how much toe change that 1/4 inch movement actually makes to your toe. If it is negligible then the slight movement is really not doing anything bad. If you are seeing toe change then I would agree it is something that needs dealing with.
Just my opinion of coarse, Gerry Charlesworth
post #10 of 15 (permalink) Old 03-11-2002, 11:32 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CalipSSo:
Hey BadaSS
How much did the replacement cost you? I was thinking of doing it myself, then bringing the car to the shop for alignment. But if the Chevy/GM dealership have a fair charge, I might consider having them done at the shop instead.
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lets just say it was "CHEAP"~~~ i'll let badaSS explain why...
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