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Rebuilt Starter with New Solenoid Keeps Running.

Just bought a '94 RMW... the doppleganger to my burgundy '95, but without the smashed hood and rust! This car was sold to me as a 9/10 but when I arrived, the auxiliary terminal was melted (he told me this ahead of time so I grabbed the one off my '95), the fuel pump was fried, battery dead and started solenoid ended up burning out after replacing all the former on Sunday, until after midnight, with scissor jacks on the street in front of the sellers house.

My girlfriend and I grabbed a hotel and found someone who was able to rebuild the starter Monday morning, replace the solenoid and put it in the car for me while we waited. Fired right up and sounded good, so we made the 5 hour trip home, no prob! Today, I went out running errands and about half way through, I shut the car off and heard a whining noise coming from under the hood. Turns out the starter is running. I grabbed a crowbar to tap on the starter and while maneuvering it down through the engine bay, it stops. I go to start the car and it only clicks. The battery was one of the things replaced down in front of the seller's house, so that is new too. After about 5 minutes, it started no prob and I made another stop on the way home without issue.

Any idea what might be going on?

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the "rebuilt" starter may be suspect. You could get under the car and look/confirm the wiring to starter is in good condition and connected securely. If previous AUX post was fried...maybe the battery cables also are fatigued/burnt

While any off the shelf auto part store battery cable is better than old burnt ones...if you are keeping the car long term Gary at www.innovativewireing.com makes a VERY good set

and if you find your rebuilt starter is bad get the "corvette" starter from Autozone. Cheaper, smaller and is a gear reduction type vs stock. Just ask for a starter for a 96 Vette

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Actually, I have Innovative Wiring cables on my '95 which I was planning to swap in.

I will crawl under and check the wiring and connections on the rebuilt starter. So far this is very sporadic... only happened once so far! Can a starter and solenoid be tested for intermittent probs?

What is a gear reduction type starter? I have a tendency to not trust AutoZone parts. I've gotten some pretty bad electrical components from those places before. Who makes the best quality Vette starter?

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Actually, I have Innovative Wiring cables on my '95 which I was planning to swap in.

I will crawl under and check the wiring and connections on the rebuilt starter. So far this is very sporadic... only happened once so far! Can a starter and solenoid be tested for intermittent probs?

What is a gear reduction type starter? I have a tendency to not trust AutoZone parts. I've gotten some pretty bad electrical components from those places before. Who makes the best quality Vette starter?
https://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-336-1...+starter+delco

Amazon until recently listed showed this as brand new for about $240. Delco has better that most rebuilts.

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What is a gear reduction type starter? I have a tendency to not trust AutoZone parts.
The "vette" starter is a "offset gear reduction" type vs "permanent magnet gear reduction" type. Offset types have more Tq.

While I to shy away from AZ parts, their Vette starter is "new" vs reman..although there still is a core charge. Since the starters look completely different you can just return your current core later if you feel the counter guy will have a issue...he may not

This is what I, and many, got. It is made by Denso

https://www.autozone.com/batteries-s...470913_55002_0

or even cheaper from rockauto is a Remy

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...041398&jsn=560

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Cool..... so AC Delco, Denso and Remy...... all about equal in quality for these started or do any have a tendency to rise above?

Speaking of quality made electrical.... I need to buy a new brass auxiliary positive battery terminal post. Where are these avail and any differences in quality? I’m gonna also need the little plastic cover that snaps over the brass plates at the bottom of the terminal.

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GM p/n 12176639. Sold as kit from GM dealer. Never heard of any aftermarket.

Hopefully still available.

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Cool..... so AC Delco, Denso and Remy...... all about equal in quality for these started or do any have a tendency to rise above?

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I can only speak of the Denso (AZ) but would have no problem with any of the 3. AZ "lifetime warranty" is very easy and readily available. I see the Remy say lifetime...good but the "ship it somewhere" takes some of the air out of the lower RA $

With that said the starter should last a very long time.

My stock one finally got to tired with my 383 at 90k mi. Have 42k now on the Denso. YMMV

On the AUX battery post, get the brass one. If you can't find it available somewhere new, ping Fred Kiehl on this site. He likely has or will have one soon

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Speaking of quality made electrical.... I need to buy a new brass auxiliary positive battery terminal post. Where are these avail and any differences in quality? Iím gonna also need the little plastic cover that snaps over the brass plates at the bottom of the terminal.

I believe this is what you are looking for:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/390765209738


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GM p/n 12176639. Sold as kit from GM dealer. Never heard of any aftermarket.

Hopefully still available.
It is! And so are the top and bottom covers, bolt, nuts and fuse box plates. Ordered 'em all so we'll be completely fresh!

Thank you so much for the part #. Where do you find your part numbers? I tried finding it here, but had no luck finding it until I had the actual part number; https://www.gmpartsdirect.com/auto-p...BR82P5RR428478

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