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post #1 of 60 (permalink) Old 10-13-2004, 06:56 PM
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I am. Don't get me wrong. I really have enjoyed the 2 national events I have attended. I REALLY enjoy reading the magazines. Through ISSCA, I have been able to do stuff that I never dreamed of in 2002. Not to mention all of the great folks I've met at past events. Heck, I can't even complain about the price--$40. That is $24 less than I WASTED at Stupor Chevy this year, my last time to ever attend that excuse for an event.

Then there's the flip side. I've received 4 magazines in the past 12 months. They are way (nearly 4 months) behind, but yet a letter reminding me that I need to renew is right on time. I'm not sure why, but for some reason, that really bothers me.

Anyone else feel this way?
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post #2 of 60 (permalink) Old 10-14-2004, 07:37 AM
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No.
post #3 of 60 (permalink) Old 10-14-2004, 09:15 AM
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Yes!

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post #4 of 60 (permalink) Old 10-14-2004, 11:38 AM
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Yes
post #5 of 60 (permalink) Old 10-14-2004, 01:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by HuSSker:
I am. Don't get me wrong. I really have enjoyed the 2 national events I have attended. I REALLY enjoy reading the magazines. Through ISSCA, I have been able to do stuff that I never dreamed of in 2002. Not to mention all of the great folks I've met at past events. Heck, I can't even complain about the price--$40. That is $24 less than I WASTED at Stupor Chevy this year, my last time to ever attend that excuse for an event.

Then there's the flip side. I've received 4 magazines in the past 12 months. They are way (nearly 4 months) behind, but yet a letter reminding me that I need to renew is right on time. I'm not sure why, but for some reason, that really bothers me.

Anyone else feel this way?
I would guess that the dues letters are generated by dates stored in a computer. It is probably easy for an UNPAID person to spend some "free" time to print and mail them.
I know that one LOAD of work goes into the production of the magazine that the UNPAID "staff" puts out.

How about:
1. The ISSCA site is changed to reflect that each member will receive four magazines a year. Perhaps six a year is just too much to do.
2. Each club writes one article a year for the magazine. The editor will then decide what will be used.
3. We, as individuals and local clubs, all offer to provide any support the editor and our directors need. This might extend to giving them some $$$$ to travel to the meetings that are held all over the US each year.
4. We all spend some of our "free" time assisting the club in any way possible.

HuSSker, I did not get you wrong. I just happened to have a soap box here so I got up on it.
The short answer to your question: No.
The long answer: See the above.

This note is NOT intended to start any type of a "you know what" contest. It is just the way I see things.
post #6 of 60 (permalink) Old 10-14-2004, 03:12 PM
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Let me define my answer of yes.

I would say that half of the "members" are there for the magazine. Maybe more than half. I believe in ISSCA, and love the events. If we're going to pay $40 a year, which most goes toward the magazine, I would like to get them all. If we're not going to, cut them back along with our cost. Or get rid of the Mag and charge us for the botom line. I understand it's a volunteer thing, and no finger pointing, but they did volunteer. If I could do it I would, but I can't. I don't have the knowledge or the time. I like Chris, but sometimes I wonder where he can get the time. Between his real job, the tubular arms thing, his life and his hobbies, how can he get the magazines out??????

Thanks,
Mav
post #7 of 60 (permalink) Old 10-14-2004, 06:26 PM
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"I would guess that the dues letters are generated by dates stored in a computer. It is probably easy for an UNPAID person to spend some "free" time to print and mail them."

I see where you're coming from, but whether I'm paid, or I volunteer for something, when my word is given to do something it is kept.

"How about:
1. The ISSCA site is changed to reflect that each member will receive four magazines a year.
Perhaps six a year is just too much to do."


Perhaps it is. Then like MadMav said, drop the price to reflect a 1/3 drop in publications.

"2. Each club writes one article a year for the magazine. The editor will then decide what will be used."

I like that! That might give some of the folks here in the Springs incentive to get together consistantly enough to get chartered, and contribute to the article.

3. We, as individuals and local clubs, all offer to provide any support the editor and our directors need. This might extend to giving them some $$$$ to travel to the meetings that are held all over the US each year.

--OR--

They could use the phone/internet like the rest of us.

4. We all spend some of our "free" time assisting the club in any way possible."

I volunteered at ISSCA nationals. In fact, I volunteered when I registered. If you participated for autocross, chances are I made sure you got signed in. I realize that pales in comparison to working on the magazine, but I'm not too sure what else I can do from here.

"I would say that half of the "members" are there for the magazine. Maybe more than half."

I would too. Here's a national club, with a thousand + members, throwing a kick-a$$ national event every year, and only a small handful of the members get the chance to attend. The masses of ISSCA membership unfortunately have to pass due to circumstances in their own lives. Do you really think the ISSCA faithful that can't attend the events are sending in their dues every year to get fresh ISSCA window stickers?

Here's another question. I look at my membership dues as a contract. I provided my 1 year worth(Oct 03-Oct 04) of dues up front. The way I see it, ISSCA owes me 1 year of bi-monthly magazines. Do you think that I'll get the Jul-Aug, and the Sep-Oct issues I am owed, even if I DON'T renew?

I'm betting I don't....
post #8 of 60 (permalink) Old 10-14-2004, 08:34 PM
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To all who question the value of dues.

While getting a bimonthly magazine is a great benefit and certainly worth the dues alone it isn’t the purpose of ISSCA. Too often the benefits of an organization like ISSCA become expected by the members as if it is the purpose for the organization. I too, like so many. enjoy the ability to gather with others who are compassionate about the vehicle, I have developed many friendships I would otherwise not have, I have learned more about the vehicle and how to preserve it than I otherwise might not have, I have been to events that I otherwise might not have because of ISSCA (and NAISSO for that matter). To quote a tag line from a famous commercial that is “priceless”. I am glad to send my dues in and appreciate the automated notice.

This is from the ISSCA by laws.
Section 1. Purpose. The general purpose of the Impala Super Sport Club of America (ISSCA), incorporated in December 2000 as a nonprofit organization, and hereinafter referred to as ISSCA, shall be to preserve and maintain the Chevrolet Impala SS, B-Bodies, and D-Bodies manufactured by General Motors including the motor vehicles produced in model year 1991 through 1996, and to serve as an accurate source of technical information concerning these automobiles for the benefit of its members.
With this in mind I encourage all who have a vested interest in the maintenance and preservation of the Impala SS, B-Bodies and D-Bodies to renew their membership and enjoy the benefits no-mater how frequently or infrequently the volunteers can produce them.


Rick "Highway" Matthews
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post #9 of 60 (permalink) Old 10-14-2004, 09:48 PM
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Rick, I agree with everything you say. However, nearly everything you posted from Section 1 of the bylaws (to preserve and maintain the Chevrolet Impala SS, B-Bodies, and D-Bodies... ...and to serve as an accurate source of technical information) reaches the member through the magazine. Also, I want you to look at this another way: I know of one person here in town that joined ISSCA this past summer, and has NEVER seen a magazine. Tell me how I am supposed to convince people here that getting chartered w/ISSCA is something we should strive for? I've been with ISSCA for a couple of years, and I watched ISSCA evolve a year before that. I'm no expert by any means but, I consider myself a person who knows a little about ISSCA's history, and why it was formed. The atmosphere that ISSCA bolsters, makes me want to be a part of it. However, it's not easy to get local people pumped up about a club, or getting our group chartered in, when the impression of not delivering the goods is made. Like I mentioned before, I think of it as contract, but others that receive the magazine, read what other enthusiasts that are in the national club are doing, get some cool mod ideas, tech tips, etc.--it gives them a sense of belonging. Some of us are fortunate enough to get to attend the events. Some have the talents and the drive to volunteer. But most only get the magazine. Whether it's time or money, they don't get out to the events. At that point, for those members, the magazine is their only interaction with ISSCA. The magazine means more to the members you DON'T see at the events than you know.
post #10 of 60 (permalink) Old 10-15-2004, 12:42 AM
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I too think that the magazine, "The SScene", is ISSCA's #1 item and best selling point. I love that magazine and hope that we can get 6 per year. One seldom mentioned perk that we receive as a result of ISSCA, (and the magazine), is a great amount of national press coverage, (via GMHTP mag). In my opinion the ISSCA events have received the best press coverage imaginable. And we are such a small part of their readership. But that is directly due to the fact that ISSCA advertises in GMHTP mag and because of many of the members and Executive Committee relationships with the Editors of GMHT. So like many of you, I am glad to pay $40 per year for 6 magazines. But I'm also glad to pay $40 per year for 4 magazines if that is all that is able to be published.
I do think and hope that you'll get 6 issues this year though.
The more issues the better. It'd be neat to have 1 per month! [img]smile.gif[/img]
Karl Ellwein
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