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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 10-07-2002, 12:08 PM
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I would like to start off by commending the job HOSS has done again in hosting IMPALAFEST. IT SURE IS GOING TO BE HARD FOR ANYONE TO TOP THIS SHOW. John Moss and Jim Perskins – WOW!! I would additionally like to say that it took great initiative and lots of guts to change ISSCA Car Show Rules a little to make it a little more fair for the participants at their event. BZ to Adrian and the crew. - JOB WELL DONE!

Now to the reason I started this thread. I still heard a little grumbling going on about the ISSCA Car Show Rules after the event Saturday. Grant it, it was nowhere near the amount that was heard at I2K2 but it was still there. I would like to express how important it is to let your Region Board of Director (BOD) know what you think about YOUR car show rules especially now when we are about to start a new year. We are also currently in the process of nominating and electing another round of BODs and we should see what they think prior to nominating or electing. After all ISSCA is our organization.

Now, notify your BOD – not Larry Hall, he is not a BOD and not the man that makes or controls anyone that makes the rules, he just makes sure that the rules are adhered to and that the car shows go by them. It really ticks me off when people come up to Larry after the show and give him BS about the rules and how unfair they were (like I have done in the past, SORRY Larry) when he volunteers his time and I’m sure lots of MULA to do what he does for our organization. I do think the BODs should listen to Larry’s input and take his recommendations highly, after all he probably has more experience in car shows than any person I know and this is probably the reason that ISSCA picked him to be the National Car Show Head Judge. So BODs please listen to him.

IMHO I think that HOSS was almost perfect with the rules that were used in their event. However one thing that sort of bothers me is the fact that only one trophy was given out in certain categories. I know the rule that was followed was (There had to be at least 7 entrants to give 3 trophies, 5 for 2 and 3 for 1 which was not used). I think the 3 entrants for one trophy rule that was not followed was a great decision but I also think that some participants felt cheated that they didn’t receive anything due to them just having two are three participants in their class. Who’s to say if their were 7 they wouldn’t have gotten Second or Third. I feel that the host of the car shows have already purchased the trophies why not give them away. I feel bad when you look at the table after the awards presentation and there are still quite a few there but someone didn't get anything because there were only two or three participants in that class. There are some folks that come a very long way, spend a tremendous amount of money, and prepare very hard to compete but I feel get short changed due to the fact that their weren’t many persons in their class. That isn’t their fault!! Now I also liked the fact that HOSS posted on their program that there were not going to be any freebees and that if it looked like you didn’t even make an effort to clean or compete, even if you were the only one in your class you weren’t getting anything. This is good but lets stand behind our decision and let those people know why they didn’t receive anything.

Nough said, Please, Please, Please notify your BOD as to your opinion on the ISSCA Car Show Rules so that next year they can get a little better which is how it is suppose to work. Thanks again HOSS and all who made this great event, and for those who think I’m sore because I didn’t win anything – I took home a first place trophy!!
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post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 10-07-2002, 12:49 PM
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I also think that HOSS did an absolutely wonderful job of puting together and executing this event. This was my 3rd year in a row to attend and I think that this was the best one yet!

I agree with BBBONE SSTOCK - The "no free rides" rule is an excellent one. The rule does imply, however, that if there are three or fewer entrants in your class and you did make an effort (cleaned and detailed your car), you would be eligible for a trophy.

One other change that I feel should be considered is in the mileage division. The current division takes place at 50K. Let's face it - there are a lot more cars out there with >50K than <50K. In fact a very large percentage of the Impala SS's (and other B and D bodies, for that matter) have over 100K on the clock. All other things being equal, can a car with >200K compete against a car with 51K?

I did speak with Larry about some of these things - not as a gripe, just as conversation. The BOD members are indeed the folks to go to with suggestions and concerns. I know from experience that they do actually listen to the members. IMHO ISSCA has been doing a great job!

Also, like BBBONE SSTOCK, this is just the opinion of an interested participant and not sour grapes. I took home a 1st place trophy, too! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #3 of 20 (permalink) Old 10-07-2002, 01:25 PM
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Congrats guys! What were the rest of the results?
 
post #4 of 20 (permalink) Old 10-07-2002, 02:29 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tirpitz:
Congrats guys! What were the rest of the results?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Eric! I know that as far as HOTSS goes, Jim Mitchell, Scott Williams (HACK), Gary Grant (G Man), and myself took home trophies. Gary got Best of Show. I believe the HOSS folks should have all of the results up on their website soon.
post #5 of 20 (permalink) Old 10-07-2002, 02:44 PM
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I think that a "Work in Progress" catagory would be a good addition. I doubt that even if I had waxed and what not on my wagon it wouldn't have recieved many points. Let's face it, a car that's halfway torn apart, covered in primer, etc isn't going to be able to compete against a complete car. Jose's wagon would be in the exact same boat as mine. Even though we've both done a TON of work to our cars I just don't think it's appreciated as much. Sure, some people have lots of bolt ons on their car, but that's just what they are... bolt-ons. Shaving your handles/rack/gate/etc takes a helluva lot more effort than bolting on some engine dress.

Now, to take into account that everyone would say their car in "perpetually in progress," I think that this catagory would need to be only for cars that are obviously in progress. (ie; primered body panels, in progress interior changes, etc.) I know there would have been at least 3 cars that would have fallen into such a catagory Saturday.

Just my two cents.
post #6 of 20 (permalink) Old 10-07-2002, 03:29 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by threeimpalas:
..."Work in Progress" catagory...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's not a bad idea. I don't know if it would work in the ISSCA rules but it would be a great "add on" people's choice type award (like the "most unique modification" award at Impalafest).

Your wagon is looking killer. Love the rims and the stance. I'm really glad I got to see it in person. Scrapyard's Fleetwood is looking looking really good, too. It looks downright mean!

That brings up something else... for an award like "work in progress", "most improved", or any other award that won't include every single car in the show, it would be nice if the owners of the cars "applied" for consideration in that class. That way folks would know which cars to be looking at for that catagory instead of having to weed through 200+ cars to find the 3 or 4 cars that actually qualify for the award.

Just a thought.

- Jay
post #7 of 20 (permalink) Old 10-07-2002, 03:55 PM
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I'm with Mike and Jay on those ideas. Another thing I think that would really help judging is if cars were parked with their class. Like have all the wagons park together, 94s, 95s, 96s, and so on. It's just not really fair IMO when there are 4 cars in a class and they are parked far apart. The one parked furthest away is less likely to be voted on in "peoples' choice" no matter how good it looks.
post #8 of 20 (permalink) Old 10-07-2002, 05:46 PM
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In a lot of car shows I have been to that had an "Under Construction" class, the car had to be more than %50 primer to qualify.

I read on another thread that Hussker was the only "under 50K 94" at the show and was not awarded anything. According to Mav, they put quite an effort into it and the car was the best it had looked in years. I think he should have got the trophy for that class. I agree that that is something that has to be fixed.

Gary Grant wins best of show. What a suprise.

Congrats Gary, your just lucky my brother didn't trailer Bobs pile up there.
post #9 of 20 (permalink) Old 10-07-2002, 07:18 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>...trailer...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah... there needs to be a trailer queen class too.
post #10 of 20 (permalink) Old 10-07-2002, 07:30 PM
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Thanks Tirpitz. From the SAIL guys I think it was me, Jay Johnson, Larry Hall, Rick Matthews, Bob McLeod, and Michael Accomando that took home trophies.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I read on another thread that Hussker was the only "under 50K 94" at the show and was not awarded anything.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he might have been mistakenly missed. I say that because on their program they said that all classes would be given an award even if just one participant, but that they had to put forth an effort and by the sounds of it Hussker did.

Yeah, I believe the 94s will be mostly affected if the 3 to make a class and 7 to give 3 awards rule stays in effect. Why, you ask? Because there are only 6 thousand and something of them and every car show that I've been to I'm lucky to see maybe 4. Poor guys would never have a class and only one of them would ever receive anything. Or they'll all get combined into one class regardless of MODS and miles. Either way they lose.
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