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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 05-24-2002, 02:14 PM
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Should there be an event for cars that have used the "chrome horn" or in our case... black horn...

I am talkin a show class for cars that have survived impact. It is my oppinion that no matter what, a car can not be repaired as good as it was when it was new unless you replace the entire car... then ofcourse it is new =)

As some of you know, my Impala was "totaled" mid last month, and I had them rebuild her... she will live again on wednesday!

I just saw her about 30 minutes ago and she looks amazing! Maybe the winner of the first whupped and rebuilt car show =P
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post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-03-2002, 02:44 PM
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Well, I am currently being shredded by the anal car show judge I was referencing earlier. Doesnt look like it is going to happen in this lifetime!!
post #3 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-03-2002, 03:39 PM
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Guess the problem I see is this :

How do we verify that the car has been wrecked?

Say I have an unwrecked car (actually, I do, as far as sheetmetal....my aftermarket fiberglass rear bumper sure as heck isn't "unwrecked" right now though ). If I'm dishonest, I can just SAY the car was wrecked and then enter in the (presumably easier) unwrecked car class.

Not to mention, many of the CURRENT "top dogs" in the Impala SS car show circuit have cars that have been wrecked (to some extent) and rebuilt. So it doesn't necessarily solve anything here either.
 
post #4 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-04-2002, 10:39 AM
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There are many ways to prove that the car has been wrecked... Police report, Letters from the insurance company... the repair bill...

Heck, even if you couldnt tell by looking at the paint you shure can tell that the radiator has been bashed in
post #5 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-04-2002, 01:45 PM
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I agree. There should be more than enough documentation to prove a wreck. I don't think anyone is suggesting a class for a minor fender bender here. I think a major accident is what we are talking about.

FastSS, what kind of damage did you have and how much $$ is the repair costing you? These could easily be guidelines to go by.

My opinion has never been a popular one on this forum so why should it be now, but I know that I would not want to compete against class of cars that have never had anything more than a scratch buffed out of them knowing mine had been "totalled". This is just common sense.

I was asked yesterday "what about the guy who's car was totalled and he completely rebuilt it -- including a new frame from GM!" Well, IMO, that is no longer a wrecked Impala but a new one.

No, I agree we should not have classes for "prettiest mud flaps" or for "nicest tail pipes" (quoted from converstaion yesterday) but an Impala brought back from the dead is pretty impressive to me.

No one said trophies are necessary here, as I understand that all of the different classes with all of the awards gets rather expensive. At this point it is not a matter of owners attention to detail but the body shops attention to detail. I just think these cars deserve a standing ovation for going above and beyond and coming back for more.

Why do I have such a strong opinion on this topic since my car has never been wrecked?? For no other reason than I am able to put myself in anothers shoes. How would you feel if your car was totalled? I can not imagine how I would feel but I do know that I would be very proud to have her back on the street again.
post #6 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-04-2002, 04:57 PM
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Point is : "wreck" documentation is EASY to fake. I could come up with a convincing looking repair estimate in a matter of an hour or two on my SS that'd make you think the body and frame had been to hell and back . It'd be entirely a load of S**** [img]smile.gif[/img], but it'd LOOK real.

Why not count the guy (or gal) who got a new frame after? It's either a wreck or it isn't.

WHAT defines a car having been "wrecked"? I know, it SOUNDS like this would be a "common sense" kinda question. Trust me, it isn't....and the second you "define" a wreck, someone who has a car that ALMOST but not quite meets those criteria will be bitching about it!

As far as adding classes : who keeps track of it? Show organizers already have WAY too much to do as it is, so we'd need VOLUNTEERS to keep track of it and judge the extra class(es). Trust me : volunteers are harder to find than you think. If anything (and this is getting into MY opinion here, not the ISSCA opinion) we have too many show classes as it is.

If it were MY car that got totalled and brought back, it'd become a full-time race car. But then, that's just me
post #7 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-04-2002, 05:07 PM
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Um lets see...
EVERYTHING had to be replaced except the deck lid, passenger rear door, top, and passenger rear quarter.





Repair bill for the car was about $13,000 aftermarket parts & misc other stuff is about $8,000

The suspension was gutted and replaced with Moog steering parts, Bilstein shocks, hotchkis lowering springs, BMR F-Body front swaybar, BMR Extended RCAs, HO rear bar

The repair bill was so high because 2-3k of it was custom body work (messing around with fiberglass isnt exactly their favorite... and they let your bank account know it)
post #8 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-04-2002, 05:14 PM
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Oh yea... it is really obvious my car has been in a wreck if you know where to look... (pop the hood, a bent radiator support should be more than enough proof)

It would be funny to see a guy brag about beating a bunch of rebuilt junk with his perfect showroom SS =P I would let him win just to laugh at his pathetic attempt to be on top of something
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