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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 06-19-2002, 11:58 AM
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This is just a follow up to my previous post on the show classes being combined at St. Louis. I'd like to get others opinions about how that sort of thing should be handled in the future.
Of course as I mentioned if you are going to harp on rules then you should "follow" them and not adjust them to suit your needs. Show classes are broken down so cars can compete against cars with the same or close to the same level of mods and or usage. You certainly would not combine a Modified car with a Mild Street or a Stock car. Or would you if it made things easier (I2K2)????
I know some folks out there who traveled far and worked very hard to put their cars up against like competition. I hope that will not deter you from coming to further shows. You should not be penalized because you fall into a class with few entries.
I will make sure this point is heard to my fellow HOSS members so people who come to IMPALAFEST will get what is advertised and not what is convienient at the moment.
This is not a bash to GRAIL who put on a very nice event. But following a simple set of show rules is too easy not to adhere to
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post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old 06-19-2002, 12:41 PM
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I believe the show rules fall under ISSCA's jurisdiction. I just finished a conversation about this with head show judge, Larry Hall, and the response I got from him was, everything has to go through the BOD (ISSCA). We need to make our voices heard to the right people, including the board of directors if ISSCA is truly going to be "for the people".

These "change the rules to fit the situation" scenarios must not become a mainstay in our shows.

I was also told that it was our responsibility to follow up with the classes, since, after all, "it IS YOUR CAR". Forgive me for thinking that when we checked in that we should assume the information would be accurate and not be subject to change.

Either way, we are to blame for not following up and hunting down the proper authorities to see where we were as far as classification goes.

post #3 of 26 (permalink) Old 06-19-2002, 01:58 PM
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You are right Karen. But once we have been assigned a class, prepare as such, enter the correct "lane", follow the "rules", then be blind-sided at the awards ceremony that we have been combined in another class is just wrong. Check the rules posted on the ISSCA page for shows. It's clear we should be notified and given the option to move up or down in class to compete if "we" wish when there are not enough cars in a class. Nobody I spoke to was asked or notified before the awards. Anyone who was please correct me.
Maybe an ISSCA BOD member would choose to comment here
 
post #4 of 26 (permalink) Old 06-19-2002, 02:56 PM
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Easy, Fred! I'm on your side!! By me not double checking, checking again and for taking someone's word for something (heaven forbid!!), I lost a first place trophy!! I am not any happier about the rules and such any more than you are! I'm with you, bud!

I never said I agree with Larry, I just said I talked to him. Larry and I do not usually agree on much of anything regarding shows(a woman, after all, doesn't know squat about car shows)!!

There has been one instance, regarding judging at I2K, (Gail knows what I am talking about here!!) that has been stuck in my mind for 2 years now. It changed my outlook on showing at events like this. It also changed the way I see the person directly involved with it. The only reason I even judged is so I knew I did my part to keep things on the level. It didn't work then, and it didn't work now, either. Now there are other issues with I2K2. I am beginning to wonder if all the hard work is really worth all the bull ****.

I definately agree that you guys that got combined got screwed.
post #5 of 26 (permalink) Old 06-19-2002, 03:53 PM
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Oh, and by the way...

Thought I should clarify this before someone chimes in and says I am whining about the way the show turned out

As far as the first place trophy in class is concerned, my best friend was the winner. The look on his face and the opportunity for me to be there with him at that moment was worth more to me than any trophy collecting dust on the shelf could ever be.

Knowing my point totals and having a friend like Morgan is more than enough!
post #6 of 26 (permalink) Old 06-20-2002, 02:46 PM
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Yea, my modified over 120,000 mile and wrecked impala got bunched with a bunch of really nice 94s... well there were only 4 of us but still... I got routed
post #7 of 26 (permalink) Old 06-20-2002, 02:55 PM
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It seems as though no one else sees anything wrong with this picture!

I know that no one is going to change the past, but some one better damn well see that this type of thing doesn't happen again in the future!
post #8 of 26 (permalink) Old 06-20-2002, 04:19 PM
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Karen : write up a proposal for how the show classes would be changed, and give it to your regional ISSCA director or another BOD member (I am a BOD member). Things can't be changed if we (the ISSCA BOD) have no guidance on HOW folks want them to be changed!

In other words, my mind reading SSkillSS SSuck aSS

If I am reading the rules correctly, if a class has less than 3 entrants then the entrants will be moved up or down (the entrants choice) to another class. It sounds like they were moved here (per ISSCA rules), but there was NOT the communication to the entrant that needed to happen and thus the entrant CHOICE didn't happen. And I agree, that wasn't right.

It sounds like we need to clarify just HOW the entrant will be notified that they are being moved to a different class.
post #9 of 26 (permalink) Old 06-20-2002, 05:59 PM
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First, let me start by saying I had a GREAT time at I2K2; let's see if we can exceed 300 entries next year. As far as the show classes, here's my 2-cents. When I realized I was going to be in the modified class with entries that have tons-of-chrome; I thought I was dead. But, I still put forth some effort, because I knew from previous shows with my previous ride (a show-winning '94 Chevy C-1500) that it's all about cleanliness. In the end, even though I have no chrome/polished goodies under the hood and only chrome rims on the outside, I missed a trophy by only 4 points! If I had only thought to borrow someone's sun visor (one of mine was missing & it cost me 5 points), I would have beaten John BADBOWTIE Rafteseth. As far as bumping people to other classes; I have to disagree with the current rules. If you happen to be the only one in your class, so what? I mean who's gonna remember next week that there were only 2 or 3 cars in your class? Oh well, I still had a great time.
post #10 of 26 (permalink) Old 06-20-2002, 09:29 PM
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I agree with what everyone is saying.Car show from day one have usually had 1st 2nd and 3rd.Theres no crime if your the only one there.When ISSCA first started i had one of the founding members tell me in his own words one of the main goals of the club was to "have standardized judging".The car show rules have been changed 2 or 3 times and it still has me lost.The way i understand it,i have a 96 modifed,under 50,000 miles,if there is only 2 in that class you have to move down because theres no where else to go.It has close to 50 mods so when they get done deducting points for over the limit i will be minus points.Whats wrong with this picture I was told by larry that the main reason is "money" If you have all the classes advertised you have to have the trophys to back it up.If theres no one in a class theres 3 extra awards right there and i've never heard of a trophy shop taking them back(but they might).SO they have to be bought regardless.I couldn't make it to st.louis because of work but from what i've heard i'm glad i didn't.One question for anybody that judged or knows,did the same judges do the same class or did they get mixed as in I2K? That does NOT work.I learned the hard way on that one.Twice.This was not to "bash" any one person but theres a few on here that always say "take it up with your BOD" So here it is, people work there asses off on there cars.They should be rewarded for it,not stuck in other classes because theres not enough to make your class and find out after the awards.
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