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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old 12-11-2002, 01:56 PM
IHALLA
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Hey Car Showers
Is it just me and I'm not receiving this Forum Again or is it just That Quiet !?!? LOL-LOL
Now that the Discussions of ImpalaFest are over, did everyone go into Winter Hibernation !?!? LOL-LOL
Well...Here's a question that outta Stir Things Up !!
What Do YOU Want to see Changed in the Car Show Classes & Rules for 2003 !?!?
I Don't care How Small You might think it is, I WANT TO KNOW !! I NEED to know these things because I'm in the Process of getting New Proposals ready to summit to the BoD's in January. Speak Now or Forever Hold Your Peace !! For the 2003 year at least. [img]smile.gif[/img] Once the Changes have been Approved by the BoD's, They Will Stand for the Whole Year !!
SSoo, I am AGAIN Asking For YOUR Input !!
Thanks !!
Have a SAFE and MERRY CHRISTMAS Holiday Season !!
SS-ya
Larry D
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post #2 of 33 (permalink) Old 12-11-2002, 04:12 PM
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consolation prizes for all participants!
post #3 of 33 (permalink) Old 12-11-2002, 05:07 PM
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Does anyone know the dates of the shows in 2003. Its time to pick vacation at work so I need to put some time on the board . The show in Daytona is March 21,22,23, TIA
 
post #4 of 33 (permalink) Old 12-11-2002, 07:56 PM
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Do away with the bumping rule if less than three cars are entered in a class. Hopefully at the next show people will see how few cars are in that class and enter their car in that class if it qualifies.

Tricktoo SS, the ISSCA national show is around July 16 at Tulsa.
post #5 of 33 (permalink) Old 12-11-2002, 08:22 PM
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An "in progress" award would be cool for those cars which are noticably "under construction" and are pretty much out of the running when compared with other cars in their usual class.

There was some good discussion about this stuff in one of the post-Impalafest threads.
post #6 of 33 (permalink) Old 12-12-2002, 07:54 AM
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Larry,

Couple of suggestions.

1)Realistic mileage classification.

The NEWEST Impala ss is going on 7 years old.
With a measly 15K a year even that car has
105K on it.
The 50K break is unrealistic.
I know the "Clean is Clean" philosophy BUT there's just no way to clean normal wear and tear.

2) Do away with the minimum number / class entry requirements.

I will not show may car ever again in an ISSCA sponsored show if this isn't done.
If you have a class have at least one trophy for that class.

The 96 owners will never run into this. The 95 owners do occasionally. The 94 owners, like myself, run into it at every show


Just my 0.2
post #7 of 33 (permalink) Old 12-12-2002, 08:33 AM
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how about having non-participants vote for who they think has the best car in each class and the winner will be awarded addition points to their total score.
post #8 of 33 (permalink) Old 12-12-2002, 12:23 PM
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First off, I'd like to say THANKS to all the hard work that Larry has done in this often thankless role. As an ISSCA BOD member I've gotten to see a small percentage of the "crap" he has to go thru on this one, and let's just say that Larry is an enormously patient guy

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>1)Realistic mileage classification.
The NEWEST Impala ss is going on 7 years old.
With a measly 15K a year even that car has
105K on it.
The 50K break is unrealistic.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only thing is that a lot of SS owners drive less than 15K (and for quite a few, a LOT less than 15K) per year. Especially now, as more and more of these cars are becoming "weekend only" toys. But in parts of the country (i.e. where Winter is real, not like here in the Bay Area) cars aren't even on the road for months at a time and then get nowhere close to 15K miles in only 6 months.

Now MY car doesn't fall into this category. Ironically considering the numbers you listed, my 96 IS just over 7 years old (drove off the lot on Nov 24 95) and DOES have almost exactly 105K on it (104500 to be closer) [img]smile.gif[/img].

I'd suggest that looking at how many cars we ended up with in the "under 50K" vs "over 50K" classes last year (at both St Louis and Arlington) would tell us whether the mileage break needs to move up or down to even things out. However I suspect you're right (it needs to move up) and that it needs to move up to the 70K or so range.

One thing I've learned from being on the ISSCA board is that it doesn't matter WHERE you put the mileage break, someone is gonna bitch about it....usually the guys who are just under the mileage break

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I know the "Clean is Clean" philosophy BUT there's just no way to clean normal wear and tear.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True. I think part of this however stems from our perception that the "winning" car MUST receive an almost perfect score.

Contrast this to the Lowrider world where often a winning car (for example, Moe Reye's award winning 95 Lowrider SS) will only receive 1/3 of the POSSIBLE points in a class at a car show!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>2) Do away with the minimum number / class entry requirements.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with this 110%. No one ever bitched about receiving a trophy, even if they were the ONLY car in their class
post #9 of 33 (permalink) Old 12-12-2002, 03:38 PM
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Hey Guys
I Figured that I could get a Spark going on this !! LOL-LOL
I have a few questions back to you. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Lovess...Consolation Prizes for All Participants...What do You have in mind here ?? Would you like to see Each Event give Every Car Show Participant a Trophy ?? OR maybe the 4-5th places getting a consolation Award ?? Everone that Enters an Event already gets an Event Dash Plaque showing they attended Said Event, are you suggestion an Addional Award for just showing up and Participating in the Car Show ?? This would be Nice IF IT Could be Done !! How Do YOU Propose Doing this ?? Where is this ADDED Expence gonna come from ?? Are You Suggesting to pay for these Extra Awards that the Event Incures by Jacking Up the EVENT ADMISSION Prices ??

ThreeImpalas...Underconstruction Class
Not a bad idea, what do you concider Under Construction ?? What Guidelines do You Propose ?? My 95 DGGM has 116+K miles, I'm Still adding MODS to it, I would/could concider That UnderConstruction. Give me YOUR Suggestions for Underconstruction. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Rick & Paul...Eliminate the 3 Vehicle Per Class Rule. This has already been discussed and Will be Eliminated in 2003. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Paul...Realistic Mileage Classes !?!?
This IS Probably the Biggest Bitch of All the Classes !! Ed has a Very Good Point, You Folks up in COLD COUNTRY, Don't get to drive Your Vehicles ALL Year Round like Ed or Myself. This has been gone over EVERY Year and SSoo Far, the &lt;50K & &gt;50K Mileage breakdowns have proven to be about the most equatiable for Everyone. I'm proposing a 100+K Mileage Class be Added for 2003, as well as a WAGON Class. I Don't have a problem in Adding ANY Class as long as I can Justify it !! Remember...All I Can Do Is Propose A New Class, and I have to Justify and Sell it to the BoD's !! They HAVE the Ultimate Decission on What Classes and Rule Changes are Excepted or Made !! IF ANYONE has a Proposal They would like to see included for Discussion, then I Highly Suggest that YOU get w/YOUR REGIONAL DIRECTOR and Have Them Propose IT !! OR get w/ME and I will propose it, IF it is JUSTIFYABLE !! Give US All the Pro's and Con's for Changes or Additions and I'll Do Everything Possible to get it Changed or Added !!
Thanks For The Suggestions and Please Keep them Coming !!

Also, I would like to Wish Everyone a SAFE and HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON !! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #10 of 33 (permalink) Old 12-12-2002, 04:37 PM
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how about a ribbon, a coupon, something for driving 500+miles(showing up), washing, waxing, cleaning for hours(participating) [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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