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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 01-03-2018, 10:01 PM Thread Starter
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FWB Seatbelt Interchange?

This 94 FWB's driver's side front seatbelt has locked up and it no longer extends. The belt had started fraying so I was going to see about a replacement soon but it looks like the car has decided that time is 'now.'

I think I know where I can find a couple Fleetwoods to pull a belt from - however, should those be missing - are there any other B-bodies that the belts can be swapped in from? I remember reading something about the FWB's belts being specific to the FWB, but I can't find it now and it'd be nice to confirm.

Any tips on pulling the belts out would be appreciated - I already have a Torx T-50 from pulling my Bronco's belts so I don't need to get that.

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As the D-body uses two (2) belts and retractors to the B-body's single belt design I believe they are not crossoverable. This has been covered more than once before so Search may be your friend. It might also confirm I'm FoS in case a B-body turns out perfectly suitable for at least one of the two Cady assemblies. But I don't think so.

I have used a mailorder repair service with painless success (about $90 and 5 days), but you can likely find a JY donor if patient.

Oh and different brand bits fit different. You don't want to round off the socket head too many times eh. Something about a 'bottoming flat' type will not bed deep enough for grip??, and someone's 50 is another one's 49. One of the 3 I have that takes a hammer tap to seat and I like that one best.

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As the D-body uses two (2) belts and retractors to the B-body's single belt design I believe they are not crossoverable. This has been covered more than once before so Search may be your friend. It might also confirm I'm FoS in case a B-body turns out perfectly suitable for at least one of the two Cady assemblies. But I don't think so.

I have used a mailorder repair service with painless success (about $90 and 5 days), but you can likely find a JY donor if patient.

Oh and different brand bits fit different. You don't want to round off the socket head too many times eh. Something about a 'bottoming flat' type will not bed deep enough for grip??, and someone's 50 is another one's 49. One of the 3 I have that takes a hammer tap to seat and I like that one best.
Unfortunately, search didn't turn up anything about interchanging the belts. It did however find a really long thread where people were debating whether the bolts were T-47 or T-50. :P

I do have several T-50 bits from different makers for the reason you've cited. Also because I have a couple that are impact rated, etc.

There's supposed to be two FWBs in the local PNP system and I think I know where one more is in the local yards. I'm hoping that I can find at least one belt that works out of those three cars, but asking just in case for some reason none of the cars can provide a belt.

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If the T50 you have worked on the Bronco, it will work on the FW. They use the same bolts. The correct Torx is a 50, but some companies make oversized T50s (Duralast). The cheapie ones I got at Harbor Freight are correctly sized.

The 93 has different belts than the 94-96. The 94-96 are all the same. Most of them have the lower belt damaged by the cover. The covers were not made correctly for the angle of the belt when worn, and the belt cuts the cover, as well as the cover cutting the belt.

The B pillar retractor is probably the same as the B-body part. If you just need a retractor, you can swap them on the belts. If the belt is torn, you can have just the torn one replaced, and then replace the retractor. An auto interior shop could do the replacement. I took a couple of long front belts from a JY car to a shop to make replacement rear belts in my wagon, and they installed the belts on my hardware. I think it cost me $10 for both belts.

I believe the belts can be swapped side to side, but the retractors are side specific just like the B-bodies.

If your sources don't pan out, I have a couple sets of 94-96 belts. Because I have not looked at them recently, the lower belt may be frayed on one or both of them. They both have good retractors.

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If the T50 you have worked on the Bronco, it will work on the FW. They use the same bolts. The correct Torx is a 50, but some companies make oversized T50s (Duralast). The cheapie ones I got at Harbor Freight are correctly sized.

The 93 has different belts than the 94-96. The 94-96 are all the same. Most of them have the lower belt damaged by the cover. The covers were not made correctly for the angle of the belt when worn, and the belt cuts the cover, as well as the cover cutting the belt.

The B pillar retractor is probably the same as the B-body part. If you just need a retractor, you can swap them on the belts. If the belt is torn, you can have just the torn one replaced, and then replace the retractor. An auto interior shop could do the replacement. I took a couple of long front belts from a JY car to a shop to make replacement rear belts in my wagon, and they installed the belts on my hardware. I think it cost me $10 for both belts.

I believe the belts can be swapped side to side, but the retractors are side specific just like the B-bodies.

If your sources don't pan out, I have a couple sets of 94-96 belts. Because I have not looked at them recently, the lower belt may be frayed on one or both of them. They both have good retractors.
Thanks for the info. I did manage to find a 94 whose lower belt was *just* starting to fray. Pulled that entire belt unit and swapped it into this one; both the donor and this car turned out to be T-50s and both my Sears Craftsman bit and Harbor Freight cheapie bit worked fine. The original belt unit failed when the lower belt frayed and threads jammed the mechanism - the owner has decided he wants to send it off to be rewebbed and this salvaged belt unit is a temporary one so that can be done.

Are there any modifications that should be made to the lower belt cover to prevent this from happening in future? Thanks.

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The only modification that would help is to cut the opening in the cover so that the belt does not slide over the top or inside edge. It may not be the prettiest fix, but the cover is rubbing against the belt causing it to both cut the plastic, and shred the bottom of the belt.

If you are careful, and use a Dremel you may be able to make a nice edge. You may have to cut it about 1/2 of an inch. and widen it about 1/4 inch in that area. Make sure the edge is smooth, and the belt does not put pressure on it. You can use the cut in the old cover as a guide to how much to remove.

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Some old stuff to either confirm or confound the issues;

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