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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 10-23-2018, 08:09 AM Thread Starter
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What LED 194s for Cluster/Gauge replacement

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I'm looking into getting all of the bulbs replaced in my cluster, and would like to get the opinion of the folks here who have dones this or something similar with the LEDs now available @ SuperBright LED 194 Bulbs

1. How many are required for the cluster?

There's a wide variety for the 194s, and I'm not sure of the difference between them.


Then I'm not sure of:

2. The style; 1-bulb, 5-Bulb, 5-Bulb tower
3. The Brightness; Cool, Natural, Warm

I'd appreciate any input, suggestions, or first hand experience stories too.

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Junior, I would go with the first bulb. Look at the angle of light output. For a dash the light should more directly toward you. The last bulb (360*) would be good for a floor shifter where you need light to illuminate the entire area of the PN123O. I may be wrong but I would go with that line of thought if it were me.

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If my memory is correct the 94-96 Caprice gauge lights are placed in side a clear plastic light directors. The four bulbs for the gauges are above or to the outside edge of the gauges. The "bulb" has to shine left and right (from driver's view) not forward (straight at driver). There is a thread where a forum member claims that a vendor has a very wide angle LED that works. Some will create dark spots or shadows when used with light directors. The "gear indicator" seems to shine forward.



Like light bulbs different LEDs will react differently to the dash dimmer. Most will be hard to reset to the level you like.



Most people would only need to replace the normal bulbs one or two times in the life of a car. They are cheap and known to work. The "right" LED replacement may be out there but the $$ and time to find a good one is huge.


The only way you could convince me to switch is if I could in person see a identical or similar construction dash lit with LEDs. Pictures are useless to compare with.

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Thanks for input fellas. I haven't made a decision, it was just one of those thought of: 'While I'm at it, I might as well replace the bulbs...."

I don't know anything about directionality built into the cluster.

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Junior

If doing LED I would go with the Phillips one from RA that was posted. Its diffused cap will mimic better the incandescent (stock) bulb in terms of beam spread and not be "spotty" like the single or multi LED chip ones

Not sure these are dimmable

The cool or warm refers to the color temperature the light puts out. 5700k is considered "daylight" which would appear more "white" to the eye (6000k+ even more) vs warm which is 3200k aka "incandescent". That would be a personal preference as how you want the gauge cluster illuminated. LED can be harsh so you would want dimmable. IDK if our B-body dimmer works with LED. Maybe someone who has put LED in can advise

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Junior, I've had excellent results using these LED's in all the Z clusters I've prepped/installed.Accents the cluster very well,without being too bright and bleaching out the numbers. You'll need 7 of them for the cluster illumination.The stock bulbs in the Z cluster are all 161's,way to dim imho. For turn signals/high beam indicators I toss the 161's and use oem 194 bulbs.Brightens up and actually enhances the colors of them.LED's in these 3 positions bleaches out the color,imo.

Also,get the right bulb bases,you need the bases locking tabs when installed to be at 11a-5p position like the oem bulb bases/sockets.Most of these aftermarket bases/sockets lock in at 12p-6p position,which over shoots the solder contact pads on the board.

In the pics below I show the 7 illumination bulbs from backside of cluster.Then with the turns/high beam bulbs lit up.Also in the backside pic with the 10 blue 11a-5p sockets,the 3 with yellow crayon are turns/hi beam.The other 7 blue are panel illumination positions.

And yes,you'll have no issues with full dimmer adjustability with these led's.

Hope this helps, Jim

Links to the Led's and correct 11a-5p bulb basesI've had great results with.I like the canbus style,but either style bulb base will be fine.

https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...%20Remarketing

https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...rofit-car/206/

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Consider using green leds for turn signal indicators,and blue for high-beam. Quite dramatic effect for those who like that sort of thing...
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Junior, I've had excellent results using these LED's in all the Z clusters I've prepped/installed.Accents the cluster very well,without being too bright and bleaching out the numbers. You'll need 7 of them for the cluster illumination.The stock bulbs in the Z cluster are all 161's,way to dim imho. For turn signals/high beam indicators I toss the 161's and use oem 194 bulbs.Brightens up and actually enhances the colors of them.LED's in these 3 positions bleaches out the color,imo.

Also,get the right bulb bases,you need the bases locking tabs when installed to be at 11a-5p position like the oem bulb bases/sockets.Most of these aftermarket bases/sockets lock in at 12p-6p position,which over shoots the solder contact pads on the board.

In the pics below I show the 7 illumination bulbs from backside of cluster.Then with the turns/high beam bulbs lit up.Also in the backside pic with the 10 blue 11a-5p sockets,the 3 with yellow crayon are turns/hi beam.The other 7 blue are panel illumination positions.

And yes,you'll have no issues with full dimmer adjustability with these led's.

Hope this helps, Jim

Links to the Led's and correct 11a-5p bulb basesI've had great results with.I like the canbus style,but either style bulb base will be fine.

https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...%20Remarketing

https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...rofit-car/206/

https://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-instrume...item56a0baa7fb
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The link with the CAN bus LED's did you go with the warm 3100 LED's?

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Junior, I've had excellent results using these LED's in all the Z clusters I've prepped/installed.Accents the cluster very well,without being too bright and bleaching out the numbers. You'll need 7 of them for the cluster illumination.The stock bulbs in the Z cluster are all 161's,way to dim imho. For turn signals/high beam indicators I toss the 161's and use oem 194 bulbs.Brightens up and actually enhances the colors of them.LED's in these 3 positions bleaches out the color,imo.

Also,get the right bulb bases,you need the bases locking tabs when installed to be at 11a-5p position like the oem bulb bases/sockets.Most of these aftermarket bases/sockets lock in at 12p-6p position,which over shoots the solder contact pads on the board.

In the pics below I show the 7 illumination bulbs from backside of cluster.Then with the turns/high beam bulbs lit up.Also in the backside pic with the 10 blue 11a-5p sockets,the 3 with yellow crayon are turns/hi beam.The other 7 blue are panel illumination positions.

And yes,you'll have no issues with full dimmer adjustability with these led's.

Hope this helps, Jim

Links to the Led's and correct 11a-5p bulb basesI've had great results with.I like the canbus style,but either style bulb base will be fine.
Jim,
Thanks for the help, the pictures look excellent! I appreciate the help, and will be moving in that direction.
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