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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-07-2002, 01:24 PM
Ron SSellers
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What do you guys think about these parts to upgrade my bone stock stereo:

Front speakers: Boston Acoustics FS60 components (6" and tweater).
Rear speakers: Boston Acoustics RX97 6"x9"
Subwoofers: JL Audio 10" IB4 (two) mounted behind rear seat
Amp: Alpine MRP-F320 5 channel (50Wx4 + 120W subwoofer)
Head unit: stock (at least for now)

Please don't criticize the Bostons as I already bought them [img]smile.gif[/img] (I listened to them and got them on the spot). I haven't bought the amp or the subwoofers yet. Any idea where I can get the IB4s for a decent price online? I've also heard that the 10" Kicker F10C free-airs are good but can't find them anywhere.
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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-07-2002, 02:06 PM
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Looks good, but you may want to upgrade to an aftermarket head unit. Especially if you'll be running an amp and subs. That way you can get at least front and rear RCA low level pre-outs so you can still fade front and rear. You'll lose that ability if you don't have an aftermarket head unit (with a line level converter). Plus, you won't be getting the most out of the speakers you've chosen. It is a much cleaner signal if the amplifier gets a low level (RCA) input as opposed to a high level (speaker lead) input. You tend to introduce a lot of noise into the system when using the stock head unit. And the sound quality is night and day between stock and aftermarket head units. Pioneer and Alpine make stock GM sized (1.5 DIN) radios, if that is your concern (others may also).

Personally, I would go with a Kenwood KDC-X459 single DIN unit. Lots of features and plenty easy to use. Plus, you can get them on Ebay for like 169 bucks! [img]smile.gif[/img] AND it has 3 sets of pre outs, including a non-fade for the subs (so when you fade front to rear, it doesn't effect the power going to the subs)!

I'd also go with two amps. That Alpine would be fine for your interior speakers, but you'd be really underpowering the subs... You wouldn't get much sound out of them. Especially JL's. The experiences I had with JL's have been that they like a lot of power. [img]smile.gif[/img] I'd send at least 200 Watts to them. So you should get a 4 channel amp for the interior speakers (you don't need more than 25-30W a channel for daily driver use), and a decent bridgeable, 2 channel for the subs, one that is stable down to a 2ohm load. Rockford Fosgate and MTX are great choices. But there are many more good choices too. I have never had good luck with Alpine, they tended to heat up and shut down easily when I used to be "into" the car audio scene. Maybe they are better now?

The reason you can't find the Kickers is that they don't make them anymore, according to my local stereo shops. They suggest using their VR series for infinite baffle (free-air) applications now. Bummer. I wanted to use them too. Pioneer also makes free-air subs.

You'll end up spending a little more this way, but your best bet would be to do it once, and do it right the first time. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Just my $.02. Take it FWIW.
post #3 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-07-2002, 04:20 PM
92 WAGON
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I like your list.

I wouldn't crisize anybody that bought boston acoustics highs. They are some of the best sounding on the market.

Alpine is a good choice for a head unit.

The only thing I see that I don't like is the Jl subs.

I love the way JL sounds. But in my opinion they are overpriced for what they are.

There are ALOT of subs to choose from though so go with what you think sounds the best.


What kinda bass are you looking for?

Boomy overpowering bass, an acoustical sound, Something that sounds good and still hits pretty good?

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I agree that if you are going to spend the $$$ you might as well spend the extra and get a different head unit. It does make a big difference.

I have a crappy little kenwood and it makes my factory speakers sound ALOT better. And I only spent $120 for mine.

But if you have all that good equipment I wouldn't suggest cheaping out when it comes to the head unit.

Good luck
 
post #4 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-07-2002, 11:35 PM
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How about upgrading the stock head unit to an mp3 player? http://www.highwaymp3.com/hwmp3.htm
post #5 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-08-2002, 06:35 AM
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Good list of equipment. You'll like the Boston speakers. I've had nothing but good luck with mine. An Alpine head unit will round out the system nicely. The stock stereo just isn't up to all that new equipment. BTW . . . you doing the install? Check with NJ96 to verify how much blood he lost on his install. I was only down a pint myself! Let us know how it turns out . . .
post #6 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-08-2002, 10:17 AM
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great start ron, welcome to the world of car stereo. I also would like to make you aware that getting started in car audio is just like being bit by the speed bug.(THERE'S NO END TO IT) good luck and enjoy!
post #7 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-08-2002, 10:22 AM
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Just under a pint...

Whose idea was it to line the bottom of the back seat with razorblades???

-Dan
post #8 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-08-2002, 11:18 AM
Ron SSellers
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 92 WAGON:
The only thing I see that I don't like is the Jl subs.

I love the way JL sounds. But in my opinion they are overpriced for what they are.

There are ALOT of subs to choose from though so go with what you think sounds the best.

What kinda bass are you looking for?

Boomy overpowering bass, an acoustical sound, Something that sounds good and still hits pretty good?

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Either acoustical or "sounds good and still hits" is about what I'm looking for. Obviously I'm not looking for massive SPL or competition -- just something to complement the Bostons. I wasn't really "sold" on the JLA's like I was the Bostons. The JLAs were what the audio shop had and, to be very honest, they all sounded about the same to me. I was impressed that the IB4s are designed to be used without a box -- I'd like to keep my trunk space. Do you have any lower-cost recommendations for free-air 10" subs? I don't need to be throwing $$$ away if there are lower cost subs that will sound the same to me.
post #9 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-08-2002, 11:36 AM
92 WAGON
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Well this is were I don't really know.

I run all my subs in enclosures. I havent really heard many subs without enclosures.

My freind ran a couple 10s with no box and it didn't hit at all. But he had it rigged so it was most likely the install.

I was always under the impression that if you wanted to bump a little bit that enclosed subs was the way to go. So that is how I have done my last 3 setups.

But I am willing to throw out suggestions as far as subs go.

I always suggest kicker compvrs or solos but there are alot of good speakers on the market. you can buy new kicker comp vr 12"s off ebay for around $150 a pair (I think) and solos go for $250 a sub. (If you buy a solo you will only need one)

It all depends how much you are looking to spend. Image dymnamics IDq series is a good sub for around the price of the kickers. The sub that is involved alot of sound quality competition setups.

And probably the cleanest sounding sub I have heard to date is an eclipse aluminum. It is a little more expensive but they can handle some serious wattage. I have a buddy that has 1 10" aluminum in a very small box with around 1000watts going to it. It almost hits as hard as my 15"s.... it is amazing.
And it aounds ALOT better than my 15s.

There are many good subs out there. I just don't know much about free airs.
post #10 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-08-2002, 10:18 PM
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The JL's are about your best bet for free airs. You'll pay a premium for em but it is well worth it. Also you are going with the "power" series of Alpine 5 channels which is there entry level. One of the V12 5 channels would be a better choice. My personal choice would be the Alpine MRDF752 (I think thats the model---class T 5 channel) or a nice Alpine 4 channel and one of the new MRD300 Alpine mono-block amps. Like some one previously pointed out that more than likely you will be underpowering your subs with the 5th channel of about any 5 channel amp. Also I would really look into upgrading your stock deck to an aftermarket. If you are starting with a mediocre signal all you are going to do is amplify that signal. Start off with a really good clean signal and it will make a world of difference. Also if I could recommend, I would try a new radio (look into the Alpine 7894 or 7893---60x4--well actually about 30x4), all your new speakers and a nice sub amp(get the alpine MRD-300) and your free air subs. I am quite confident that you will get the sound you are looking for...the alpine decks (60x4) models are about the only radios (besides the Pioneer Mosfet50's) that put out close to their rated specs.
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