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Write up for replacing broken exhaust manifold bolt on LT1

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#1 ·
I recently fixed a broken exhaust manifold bolt on my 96 Roadmaster wagon, which necessarily involved removing and reinstalling the manifold. This sounds simple, but of course it's not. It challenged my rudimentary shade tree mechanic skills, so I offer here a run through with some tips for those who may have to do this sometime and, like me, are not a real mechanic and have not done it before.

Here's the broken bolt as it looked on the car:

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Here's what it's supposed to look like (photo of driver side):

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As usual, the factory service manual and haynes book were invaluable but rudimentary. I had to figure out lots on my own as I went. Every bolt was an adventure. My broken bolt was on the passenger side, which I believe is the more complicated side to access.

Here's all the tools I used, if that gives you any idea how involved this project is:

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Removal (underside):

After lifting and jackstanding the car in a way that gives you good access to the exhaust pipe/manifold joint, undoing that joint is the first step. Both the bolts and the nuts have to be removed (15mm regular socket with extension for nuts, 7mm socket with extension for bolts). I applied some penetrating oil awhile ahead (as best I could with awkward access), which hopefully helped. If you are having a good day, they will come out without difficulty. At the very least, a breaker bar will be needed because they will have decades of immobility to overcome, and hopefully not a prohibitive amount of rust (my AZ and TX car is pretty good in that respect). The bolt unscrewed out with the nut on the first one . That's best case scenario. The nut unscrewed off the bolt on the second one and then the bolt screwed out. Not bad. The third is the one that gave me trouble (isn't that always the way?).

The nut came off fine, but the bolt was stubborn and the hex end stripped. Plan B was to undo the pipe from the chassis so the pipe would drop down and the manifold could be removed with the bolt in place. Not too hard, it just was another step. Once the manifold is off the car, the bolt unscrewed easily enough with vice grips.

Also from under the car, you will need to remove the bolt holding the oil dipstick in place and the EGR pipe fitting on the engine side of the manifold near the manifold/exhaust pipe joint. It's only one bolt, but it is really up there in a tight spot. I did it after taking all the manifold bolts out because I didn't realize it was there until the manifold wouldn't come out, so that may have actually made the bolt easier to access. I then had to disconnect the pipe from the intake manifold to be able to move the manifold around enough. Then I was able to think flexible thoughts, get my arm up there and use the closed end of a boxend wrench (13mm IIRC). The wrench would only have a couple inches of travel, so it takes a while to get it out.

Removal (top side):

To get the manifold off, you have to remove the alternator. On a wagon with mechanical fan, the tensioner is accessible only from underneath and works best with a 13mm boxend wrench. With two electric fans, of course, it is simple to loosen the tensioner from the top. Removing the manifold bolts is not too bad. They use a 15mm socket. Most work fine with a deep socket, but the frontmost and rearmost end bolts are trickiest (my back end one was the broken one). Manuals said to remove the spark plug wires. I didn't because they didn't seem to be in the way, and I never saw any problem with leaving them on. If you have a functional AIR pump, that piping will obviously have to be undone. Fortunately, I removed the system on mine already (it's not needed to pass emissions).

Parts/preparation:

Fortunately, the broken bolt was sticking out from the engine block a good 3/8", so it was very easy to twist it out with vice grips.

I went to a real hardware store and the bolt guy was able to match the bolts exactly with new Grade 8 ones, as well as find some spacers that matched perfectly (the spacer on the broken bolt was gone). New bolt with broken and old bolts below:

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When I was at the pick-a-part yard and looked at lots of GM and other cars, including LO5 5.7's and LS truck engines and I couldn't find one that uses spacers on the bolts. Strange, I wonder why the LT1 uses them? Especially since it doesn't use them on every bolt, just 3 of the 6 on that side of the engine. Two of the bolts are extended ones with extra threading to attach brackets for the alternator. I didn't try to get new ones those. Perhaps I will regret that later.

It was recommended on the forum to take the manifold to an automotive machine shop and have them plane the surface to get it totally flat, in case it had warped out which caused the bolt to break in the first place. I tried, but I had a hard time finding a machine shop in my area. The one I did find didn't have the machine to do that. The proprietor recommended instead to use an old-style particle gasket rather than the thin metal OEM one. This would have more compressibility and if there was a slight imperfection in the manifold, would still make a good seal. I used a gasket set from Oreilly that was listed for an 80's vintage Chevy truck 350. They are separate gaskets for each exhaust port, so I used a high temp gasket maker to hold the gaskets in place on the manifold. I would recommend letting them dry in place for a few hours at least, so they don't tend to fall off like they did when I only let them dry for a half hour. I got a new standard gasket for the manifold/exhaust pipe joint.

I had previously disabled the AIR injection system and removed everything except the main pipe which runs from one side, under the engine and up to the other side. Since I had the manifold off, I cut most of the pipe off so it was not longer in the way. This made putting the manifold back on a bit easier.

Installation (topside part 1):

I put the manifold on first. I figured if I put the end bolts in first loosely, it would place the manifold in position to get all the other holes lined up. The first time, I put the front bolt in first, but then I couldn't get the back bolt to line up, so I redid it with the back bolt first. That worked for some reason. I screwed all bolts in, but not quite all the way, so there would be a bit of play in case I needed it to get the exhaust pipe connected.

Installation (underside):

I bought a set of new bolts and nuts for the exhaust pipe joint, since the hex head stripped on one of the old ones. (see picture of package above) Unfortunately, they were generic and didn't have a hex head, just threads all the way to the end. I could have made those work, I think, but screwing them in would be much easier with the hex heads. Since it was only stripped in the out direction, I was able to screw it in ok. If I ever have to do this again, I will do like I did before when it wouldn't come out until I removed the manifold.

Next I connected the EGR pipe. This didn't go on any easier than it came off. I had a heck of a time getting in in place. I think I ended up going from the top to push the pipe in place, then screwing the bolt in from the bottom. The experience was a bit of a blur because I tried a bunch of ways until I found one that worked.

The trick part of connecting the exhaust pipe joint was when I put them together, they didn't line up. Pretty damned far from lining up, actually, which was annoying. I was able to overcome this by sticking a phillips head screw driver in the hole closest to the transmission and pushing it to the side until the holes lined up enough to screw the other two in. I put my bad bolt in last in the screwdriver hole, since it was the easiest to access.

Installation (topside part 2):

The last step was tightening the manifold bolts all the way, which was the home stretch. This was relatively easy, though getting a torque wrench in position was a bit tricky on a couple of the bolts. I never could get it onto the frontmost bolt. A deep socket was too long and short one too short. Perhaps a medium I didn't have would have worked. I made due with estimating a similar torque by hand.

I haven't done the driver side (and hopefully won't have to), but I imagine it would be somewhat easier. It surely would if for no other reason than there's no EGR pipe.
 
#4 ·
I can imagine:confused: Maybe that is a benefit to having the spacers? When the bolt breaks, the spacer makes it more likely it will break with with some bolt sticking out?

Of course, it surely wasn't designed with that in mind since if they were thinking about that, they would just design it with bolts that don't break.
 
#3 ·
Well laid out and detailed accounting. Your write-up goes a long way showing the real purpose of this forum to document and archive intel on our brief run of LT- unicorn B-/D-bodies (and the same engine in F-/Y-bodies). Not stealing your thunder, just a couple more threads showing different ways of skinning the cat on the famous 'LT- broke rear manifold bolt(s) legacy'. Although in just the past few years I've heard on the Cadillac Forum that some later engine used in their models have the same problem:


Plus an important guide showing the correct bolt configuration related to replacing them with Gr.8-es:

 
#6 ·
Your write-up goes a long way showing the real purpose of this forum to document and archive intel on our brief run of LT- unicorn B-/D-bodies
I agree, archived info is a big benefit of the forums. The popularity of Facebook and apps like that is a negative for that function. With FB, once the moment passes, it is really hard if not impossible to reference back to that thread. The traditional forum format is so much better!
 
#9 ·
I experienced the 'fun' of removing all the attached components from the driver's side wheelhouse and twisting it out of the way for access with a normal drill when discovering my old rt. angle drill was not reversible and unable to take advantage of a lefthand bit. As I mentioned that bit did its trick but did not serve to start the stud to back out as in past (luckier) uses. And when the extractor snapped (flush with the remaining bolt face) it compelled more creative thinking and the 'use the other hole in the head' approach.
And yes, defiling the other wheelhouse with small holesaw saved ~45 minutes in repeat actions connected with removing the other broken bolt.
 
#18 ·
Nice writeup. And this is why I tell folks to replace their bolts preventatively before they break on their own and leave you either with your experience or worse, broken off flush with the head.

My 2 cents on some of your findings:
The bolts that hold accessory brackets will be (what I call) a stud bolt, meaning it's a one-piece bolt + nut + stud. And a nut is used to fasten the bracket. These don't use a spacer. I have never seen one of these break, they are made from different material. They can be safely left alone.

As for the bolt spacers, I've often speculated why GM did this as well. I'd like to guess it was for expansion and contraction, to allow some sliding. They could also be for standard bolt sizes to prevent bottoming out. But in reality, I also know that GM makes lots of decisions based on parts availability and mass assembly time. If those spacers made it easier (ie: 0.5 seconds faster) to assemble (with the engine out of the car of course), then they'd use them. Time is money on the assembly line. Perhaps to help with clearance (and their assembly tools) because the bolt heads can be quite close to the port wall. It's also less error prone to tell the installer to use them on all bolts (that aren't one-piece studs).

Finally, Fel-Pro makes a few one-piece compressible composite/graphite gaskets for these cars rather than than the 3-piece ones you used. PN MS95585 is one example. But there are others. I found the generic SBC 3-piece ones to be too fussy. The one-piece Fel-Pro gasket has two hooks on the ends (see pic below) which are handy to start the end bolts through the manifold, then drop the gasket in. If you need to use the neighboring bolt hole (in case the bolt broke off flush in the head), it can be drilled.

The reason some people recommend getting the manifold planed is because even with the compressible gasket, they can burn/blow out the gasket if warped. But if you don't have a local shop willing to do it, there are other tricks such as a sheet of sandpaper on a steel welding table. And so on. Can be time consuming though.

When a manifold is removed, check it for the bar under passenger side cyl 6-8. And cut it out. See pic below. This will prevent future warping and cracking. New versions, like the picture below, already have the bar cut. But earlier revisions (GM and aftermarket) may not.


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#19 ·
When a manifold is removed, check it for the bar under passenger side cyl 6-8. And cut it out. See pic below.
This will prevent future warping and cracking. New versions, like the picture below, already have the bar cut.
But earlier revisions (GM and aftermarket) may not.
Do the same for the bar under driver side cyls 5-7.
 
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#24 ·
This thread led to me reading up on graphite, which led to me finding a fairly convincing write-up on seasoning cast iron manifolds basically the same way you season cast iron cookware.